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Nodding in unison Add this story to Scoopit!.

Claire Trevett at the NZ Herald reports on the post frontbench press standup in Dunedin:

Behind him, they nodded like bulldog toys in the back of car. When he announced he had unanimous support from his frontbenchers, it set off a Mexican wave of determined head nodding.

They also laughed. When an apparently ridiculous question about Mr Goff’s support levels was asked, they laughed scornfully as one. When Mr Goff made a joke they again laughed as one, too loud and too long.

Some overdid it. David Cunliffe stood glued to Mr Goff’s side when they arrived and when he was asked how he would have handled it had he been Labour’s leader, he announced “I’m delighted to say I’m not the leader of the Labour Party.” He went on, further announcing that the actual leader of the Labour Party was “right here and he has my full support”.

Afterward, he was again glued to Mr Goff’s side. He nodded so hard when Mr Goff said he had unanimous support that he risked a dislocation. When Mr Goff was asked how he had tested his unanimous support, it was Mr Cunliffe who answered first, yelping “because we told him” and shaking his head in disbelief at the suggestion a show of hands might have been required.

I’m trying to think of what the scene best resembled. It reminded me of the 60 minutes interview by Steve Kroft with Bill and Hillary Clinton in 1992. You know the one – where they are trying to look like the relationship is perfect, but they are just trying a little bit too hard to be genuine.

But on the positive side, it worked for Clinton!

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89 Responses to “Nodding in unison”

  1. Peter (367) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:08 pm “I’m delighted to say I’m not the leader of the Labour Party.”

    No doubt Phil will use that line soon enough….

  2. BeaB (687) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:10 pm Why do politicians insult us with these ludicrous displays?
    Aren’t any of these guys embarrassed?

    In the meantime, the much derided Gerry Brownlee is busy trying to get Christchurch back on its feet and the National government are hard at work trying to get the country back on its feet. Doing the job we pay them to do.

    So who are the adults and who deserves our vote at the end of the year? Not the Labour clowns.

  3. slightlyrighty (1,766) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:15 pm A good point BeaB. Labour have been so busy in damage control thay have stopped meddling in the affairs of govt, letting them get on with getting things done. Darren Hughes may have been the most effective Labour MP as far as Christchurch is concerned.
  4. Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:30 pm This is better than the Christmas panto at Brighton pier.

    And almost as convincing.

  5. DJP6-25 (352) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:32 pm Sounds like Stalins inner circle. “Do you agree comrades”? Da, cue furious nodding of heads in unison.
    What’s bad for the left is good for New-Zealand.

    cheers

    David Prosser

  6. James Stephenson (474) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:33 pm @Murray

    Oh no it isn’t!

  7. RightNow (2,455) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:41 pm @James

    Oh yes it is!

  8. RightNow (2,455) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:43 pm Alfred E Newman and the Bobble-heads. Perhaps they should go and be kid’s entertainers, and we can get The Wiggles to come over and be our opposition party.
  9. fredinthegrass (173) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:45 pm Right now I am keen to assume leadership of the Labour Opposition – Yeah Right!
  10. Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:45 pm BEHIND YOU!!!!
  11. Monty (684) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:58 pm I loved the line “Behind him, they nodded like bulldog toys in the back of car”

    this reminded me of Winston’s budget speech response a few years ago when his desperate and now forgotten caucas all responded in unison to certain comments. They all looked like desperate fools. Much like the Labour caucas yesterday.

  12. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:04 pm The Botany by-election, in my view as an Independent candidate, arguably proved that asset sales, particularly of electricity assets, is a vote LOSER for this John Key-led National Government.

    Labour leader Phil Goff and candidate Michael Wood campaigned in Botany, opposing asset sales.

    Labour’s vote proportionately increased.

    National leader John Key and candidate Jami-Lee Ross, campaigned in Botany supporting ‘partial privatisation’ (oops! sorry ‘mixed ownership model’ for electricity assets.

    Arguably, Phil Goff’s ‘leadership’ in the Botany by-election was more effective than that of Prime Minister John Key’s?

    Despite both National Prime Minister John Key, and candidate Jami-Lee Ross publicly PLEADING for National Party supporters to get out and vote – the majority (over 9,000) stayed home.

    National’s electorate vote plummeted from over 17,000 in 2008 – to just over 8,000 votes in the 2011 Botany by-election.

    Are the (former?) 9000 National voters no longer going to vote National?

    How much does this Botany by-election result (the only poll that REALLY counts!) reflect the view of (former?) National Party voters all over New Zealand?

    Will proposed asset sales (particularly of electricity assets) prove to be a HUGE vote loser for this John Key-led National Party?

    There are arguably thousands of (former?) National Party voters, who still remember the ‘bad old days’ of the ‘inefficient’ Department of Electricity and Local Power Boards – when you could afford to turn your heater on.

    There are arguably thousands of (former?) National Party voters, who still remember National’s electricity reforms under former Minister of Energy Max Bradford, http://www.linkedin.com/pub/hon-max-bradford/a/14/48a which removed the ‘economies of scale’ under the Department of Electricity and Local Power Board ‘monopoly’ – and replaced it with the current, duplicated, ‘competitive’ model.

    “Energy Minister Max Bradford claimed that promoting competition in the electricity sector would bring price reductions, with gains flowing through to household and small business consumers. He identified long-term efficiency gains as the objective of the reforms (Bradford, 1998).”

    “Supposedly, the first wave of reform to New Zealand’s electricity sector – deregulation and the promotion of competition – “was about efficiency, competition and accountability to customers” (Douglas, 1995). The creation as an SOE of the Electricity Corporation of New Zealand (ECNZ) resulted in a monopoly in electricity generation and transmission which, presumably, could not be sold off in one piece. This implied the need for “unbundling” and Transpower Ltd was created to separate electricity generation and transmission, leaving generation with ECNZ. Contact Energy was split out from the ECNZ in November 1995, the intention being to create competition and, eventually, privatisation of electricity generation. ”

    http://www.converge.org.nz/watchdog/08/06.htm

    Have (former?) National Party voters, like other members of the public, experienced electricity ‘price reductions’, under the Rogernomic$ ‘commercialise, corporatise – PRIVATISE model? Of course not. has bPower bills continue to sky rocket upwards.

    Does this John Key-led National Party Prime Minister think that New Zealanders have experienced some form of collective frontal lobotomy, and forgotten their experience of the above-mentioned Rogernomic$ electrivity reforms – (of which we are all reminded, every month, when we get our next crippling power bill?)

    ‘Partial privatisation’ of electricity assets is HUGELY unpopular – arguably proven by the Botany by-election.

    So – the answer is to undermine the main political party which has stated policy of opposition to asset sales?

    In my view – that is EXACTLY what has been behind this corporate media ‘beat-up’ about the Darren Hughes Police complaint, and the subsequent attacks on Phil Goff’s leadership.

    Just like with the Winston Peters /NZ First corporate media beat-up over the complaints to the Police and SFO.
    Which came to nothing – but the continual political mud-slinging worked.
    Winston Peters and NZ First were effectively discredited and they failed to achieve the 5% party vote threshold.

    (Yet my complaints to the Police and SFO over arguably ‘shonky’ John Key’s attempt to flush out commercially sensitive information about Tranz Rail through an OIA request to Cullen, and his complaint to the Ombudsman after Treasury advised not to release this information, didn’t get as much as ONE sentence in the NZ Herald.

    What John Key did, was arguably an attempt to misuse public office for private gain – which is a ‘corrupt practice’.

    Not ONE sentence in the Herald.

    This is how ‘democracy’ works in NZ?

    We get the government the majority of big business want us to have – through corporate media manipulation – which this ‘Nodding in unison’ Herald article appears to perpetuate?

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

    (There you go David! This should help get the debate going! :)

  13. Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:07 pm zzzzzzzzzzzzz…….
  14. Peter (367) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:10 pm Brevity wins on blogs.
  15. Rich Prick (718) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:11 pm Penny, whatever.
  16. helmet (797) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:13 pm Penny; TLDR
  17. lofty (787) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:14 pm Move over Murray, and give me back my half of the duvet!
  18. backster (963) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:14 pm it was Mr Cunliffe who answered first, yelping “because we told him” and shaking his head in disbelief at the suggestion a show of hands might have been required.”

    And individual poll would have been more convincing.

  19. Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:15 pm Concur.
  20. georgebolwing (271) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:18 pm Penny: you got 124 votes; Jami-Lee Ross got 8150 votes.

    He is an MP, you aren’t. That is how democracy works in NZ.

    Now can we get back to discussing important things?

  21. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:20 pm “# Peter (360) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    Brevity wins on blogs.”

    Really Peter!
    Who made THAT ‘rule’?

    Well-reasoned and considered opinion, based on FACTS and EVIDENCE isn’t a ‘winner’ for you?

    Prefer the short and not-very-sweet, ad hominum, hissy fit personal attacks, perhaps?

    Wouldn’t be because my considered opinion doesn’t match yours – by any chance?

    SURELY NOT!

    (Just LOVE that ‘freedom of expression’! :)
    ,
    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  22. Rich Prick (718) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:23 pm “my considered opinion”

    HAHAHA, try wack-job conspiracy theory.

  23. Peter (367) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:25 pm “Who made THAT ‘rule’?”

    It’s the truth, Ruth.

    “Wouldn’t be because my considered opinion doesn’t match yours – by any chance?”

    TLDR

    Too many things to read. One must be selective. Therefore, brevity wins, unless people already think you’re th’ shit.

  24. Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:25 pm “Really Peter!
    Who made THAT ‘rule’?”

    Freaken reality made that rule.

    Who made YOU a public watchdog? Surely we are free to appoint our own without having an also ran self appoited on our behalf.

    SURELY.

  25. Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:26 pm And then Penny went swimming with sharks wearing a raw meat swimsuit…
  26. Inventory2 (6,009) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:26 pm Penny; this thread is about what plonkers the Labour front-bench looked yesterday. It’s nothing to do with National, it’s nothing to do with Botany, and it’s nothing to do with waterpressure.

    Go and thread-jack somewhere else; Frogblog would be good ;-)

  27. Peter (367) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:29 pm I second FrogBlog.
  28. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:30 pm “# georgebolwing (270) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    Penny: you got 124 votes; Jami-Lee Ross got 8150 votes.

    He is an MP, you aren’t. That is how democracy works in NZ.

    Now can we get back to discussing important things?”

    My vote was up by 124 – not down by over 9,000, as was National’s electorate vote in the Botany by-election.

    In my view – asset sales are a clearly LOSER – but John Key has nailed his colours to the mast by supporting this policy.

    If the Botany by-election result is replicated all over NZ in November, in my view, it will be ‘bye bye’ John Key /National.

    NB: You may have noticed perchance, the collapsed ACT vote in Botany?

    Strange as it may seem – it appears significant numbers of the public – remember, and DO NOT SUPPORT ‘Rogernomic$’.

    So what is this going to mean for Epsom?

    :)

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  29. Peter (367) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:31 pm Zzzzzz……
  30. Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:33 pm Meat our new chum Penny.
  31. Peter (367) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:35 pm If I wanted to make a boring, long-winded, self-important post no one would ever read, then I’d certainly post it on FrogBog…..
  32. Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:38 pm She certainly doesn’t seem that birght really.
  33. lofty (787) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:38 pm Penny who did appoint you “public watchdog” ?

    If you want to be my representative without asking me Penny, I need to know a bit about you 1st, before I give you permission to act on my behalf, so I respectfully ask the following, to allow me to form an opinion on giving you licence to speak on my behalf, me being a member of the public and all.

    You see Penny, if I don’t like your answers and I suspect that this will be the case, you will not get my permission to speak for me, and I will then reserve the right to pull you up each and every time I see you attempt to do so.

    Who are the members of the Water Pressure Group, please.

    What are their (and your) political affiliations?

    Where can I find the reference to you becoming a Judicially recognised ‘Public Watchdog’ on Metrowater and Auckland regional governance matters.

    I don’t live in Auckland so are you willing to travel to represent me?

    How much does your unsolicited representation cost me?

    Who funds you & your group?

    Who are you answerable to?

    I have many more but I think this will give me the info I require to make a decision.
    Thanks

  34. tvb (1,705) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:41 pm A better scene is when Stalin spoke to a room full of the mentally insane and they all clapped and cheered at everything he said.
  35. Rex Widerstrom (4,165) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:45 pm Meanwhile, back waaaaaaaaaaay over there on topic…

    This sort of nonsense gets played out increasingly in every political party as the “machine men” (and women) take over. I saw someone else remark yesterday on the fact that the complainant in the Hughes case wanted to make a career out of politics. Politics is something to which you temporarily bring your life experience and your particular background as a [insert name of real job here]. And if you’re still there after ten years you’re exceptional – exceptionally good or exceptionally bad and well-connected.

    One of the more considered analyses of the rout of Labor in NSW puts it this way:

    Leading figures seemed to be squabbling over the spoils of office. Labor’s culture was introspective and narrow and increasingly arrogant. Party membership was falling and internal party democracy was flawed

    Sound familiar? The real issue isn’t Goff’s leadership, or the pantomime played out to ensure it staggers on a little longer. It’s the underlying reasons why it has come to this, and what that says about the health not of one man’s temporary hold on the tiller, but of the hull that lies mainly under the water.

  36. lofty (787) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:49 pm Yes thanks Rex, could a minimum age of say 40 for an entrant to politics be advantageous?

    And have to have been in gainful employment for at least say 15 years.

    Rules for all political parties in vetting their candidates etc.

  37. nadir (70) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:49 pm Penny- you should be well pleased then that “John Key has nailed his colours to the mast by supporting this policy.” There is an election later this year, so you should romp in as the electorate throws Key and the Nats out.
  38. NX (476) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:49 pm I don’t recall the National Party ever doing something like this, or at least to this degree. The Labour caucus’s simulated support for their leader with platitudes coming out of the wazoo could’ve passed for very good satire.

    I think Labour’s performance is symbolic of the left in general. They love this fake, pretend stuff. As long as it’s well intended, then it’s all okay.

    If national tried something like this, not only would the media have a field day, but it’s the Nat supporters which would really take them to task.

  39. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:52 pm # Murray (7,182) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    ““Really Peter!
    Who made THAT ‘rule’?”

    Freaken reality made that rule.

    Who made YOU a public watchdog? Surely we are free to appoint our own without having an also ran self appoited on our behalf.

    SURELY.”

    Actually, Murray, 4 District Court Judges acknowledged my Public Watchdog role on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters, in 4 of the 21 cases that I won, against Auckland City Council and the Police.

    So – I haven’t been elected, or appointed as a Public Watchdog – but if District Court Judges choose to acknowledge me as such – ‘Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters’ should accurately cover it – don’t you think?

    (I’ve also been publicly acknowledged as an ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’.)

    Because some were whining about my writing my ‘credentials’ out in full, as it were, I just abbreviated it to ‘Public Watchdog’.

    My mistake.

    Apologise is all I can do – plus go back to the ‘full nine yards’ job description (as it were?) :)

    Penny Bright
    Media Spokesperson
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  40. Peter (367) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:57 pm Attention is the scarce commodity, Penny.

    Not typing.

  41. Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:58 pm “Actually, Murray, 4 District Court Judges acknowledged my Public Watchdog role on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters, in 4 of the 21 cases that I won, against Auckland City Council and the Police.”

    Being a pathlogical whinger doesn’t make you my representative.

    In case you missed it we’ve been mocking you without mercy and you have as much credibility here as a labour party press release.

    You should go now.

  42. RightNow (2,455) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:02 pm Penny, regarding the Botany stats:
    Votes in 2011: 15421
    Votes in 2008: 30919
    Analysis: only half as many people voted. Both National and Labour supporters expected it to be in the bag for National, which is pretty much the entire reason for the low turnout.

    “My vote was up by 124″
    Jami-Lee Ross’ vote was up by 8150 votes. You got deservedly drubbed.
    It must be nice to know that there’s 123 other people with similar issues as yourself though.

  43. RightNow (2,455) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:06 pm edit – Jami-Lee’s vote was actually up 8352.

    Oh, and my ‘signature’

    Attendee: ‘Texas Chainsaw Massacre’, Paramount Theatre, Wellington, 1983

  44. lofty (787) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:09 pm I fear I will be waiting a while for answers from Penny, Oh well just in case she is reading this.
    Penny Bright does not have Lofty’s permission to act as any sort of watchdog or representative, and Lofty reserves the right to tell her so each and every time she attempts to do so.

    Lofty

    “recognised for f..ck all” but a self appointed good bastard. (just ask my Grandchildren)
    Ex Smoker (8 weeks now)

    Attendee: Cossie club Wednesday nights
    Attendee: Fishing club tournaments

    Independant thinker 2011

  45. annie (226) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:10 pm Penny, your judgement and reasoning don’t look so hot right now.

    Time to take your meds.

  46. BeaB (687) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:11 pm Penny I won’t tell you to go away with your nonsense but you do need to know that I never read your blogs. Too long, too boring, totally irrelevant.
    I actually think you might be a bit mad.
  47. annie (226) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:12 pm OK Penny, sorry, shouldn’t have said that.
  48. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:14 pm Given the complainant’s lawful right to privacy – does anyone definitely know (with FACTS and EVIDENCE to back it up), who took to the media, the Police complaint about Darren Hughes?

    Was it the complainant?

    Yes or no?

    Arguably, if it was the complainant who took his Police complaint about Darren Hughes to the media – then has he effectively revoked his right to privacy?

    What do others think?

    Penny Bright
    Media Spokesperson
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  49. BeaB (687) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:14 pm And the Labour front bench made arses of themselves too.
  50. Rex Widerstrom (4,165) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:23 pm lofty suggests:

    could a minimum age of say 40 for an entrant to politics be advantageous?

    Well we could legislate restrictions (beyond “must be a citizen, and not a criminal or a bankrupt”) on who stands for Parliament but we shouldn’t have to. Personally I don’t mind a caucus having one or even two ridiculously young faces amongst it, as crusty old sods like you or I can barely recall our yoof let alone know what’s important to the young people of today (though I suspect “better SMS plans” figures right up there :-D )

    It does worry me though when parties (and their candidates themselves) buy into nonsense such as the so-called “Battle of the Babes”, that demeans the office.

    And have to have been in gainful employment for at least say 15 years.

    Again, I find my real life experience as someone who was unemployed extremely useful. So does being able to speak as a small business owner; an employee; a prisoner; a journalist and all the other things I’ve been.

    Fifteen years life experience as a prerequisite for the majority of positions wouldn’t go amiss, but there’s more to life than work.

    Rules for all political parties in vetting their candidates etc.

    Yes, absolutely. The one – arguably most important – job in the nation is decided, in the main, by people we don’t know for reasons to which we’re not privy in meetings we don’t get to attend (I’m talking of course of safe seat preselections and list rankings). It needs to stop. It’s undemocratic and its effect on our democracy is caustic.

    The only exception, I have to admit, is the Greens (who allow all their members to rank their list) and, to some extent, Act, which has played round with the idea of primaries but then completely ruined it all with the way they gerrymandered their last list to appoint Garrett.

  51. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:26 pm # Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    “Actually, Murray, 4 District Court Judges acknowledged my Public Watchdog role on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters, in 4 of the 21 cases that I won, against Auckland City Council and the Police.”

    Being a pathlogical whinger doesn’t make you my representative.”

    In case you missed it we’ve been mocking you without mercy and you have as much credibility here as a labour party press release.

    You should go now.”

    Really Murray?

    Actually thought that this was David Farrar’s blog – not yours?

    I would have thought that to a fair-minded person , my winning in Court 21- 1, when i defended myself, and have never been to University – let alone had a days formal legal training, wasn’t a bad track record.

    I know for a fact – because they’ve told me – a number of lawyers, including some prominent QC’s have been rather impressed with my track record.

    For the record – because you have yet to grasp the point – I am not claiming to represent anyone, when I call myself a ‘Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters’ – because that is a FACT.

    Sorry that you have such obvious difficulty coping with this………

    This ‘pathlogical whinger’ also played a key role in helping to stop the rort of Metrowater ‘Charitable payments’.
    (Ask Mathew Hooten or John Banks – who at least have the common decency to give credit where it is due? :)

    You might care to try it sometime for the novelty factor?

    ‘Giving credit where it is due’?

    Penny Bright
    Media Spokesperson
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  52. Christopher Thomson (187) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:29 pm This is from one of those cases;

    “Reading Ms Bright’s first affidavit (dated 4 April 2008) one might be forgiven for thinking that there has been a misguided attempt to use this proceeding for political ends;”

  53. Christopher Thomson (187) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:30 pm and this classic;

    “I also note here that Ms Bright is not acceptable to the court as an “agent” for the defendant/s.”

  54. Inventory2 (6,009) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:30 pm Penny; given that you don’t seem to respond to subtlety, let me put this differently ….. bugger off!! This is DPF’s blog; you post here at his pleasure, and on the subjects he chooses.
  55. lofty (787) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:30 pm Thanks Rex, I would love to engage but must close the office and head to the cossie ;-)

    I actually agree with you sometimes Rex.

    Catch up later as I am sure that these issues will raise their heads again soon.
    Cheers
    Lofty

    “recognised for f..ck all” but a self appointed good bastard. (just ask my Grandchildren)
    Ex Smoker (8 weeks now)

    Attendee: Cossie club Wednesday nights
    Attendee: Fishing club tournaments

    Independant thinker 2011

  56. RichardX (38) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:31 pm Less than 1% of the vote would be considered within the margin of error in a poll …and I believe those voters may now see their error
  57. Rex Widerstrom (4,165) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:31 pm publicwatchdog asks:

    who took to the media, the Police complaint about Darren Hughes? Was it the complainant? Yes or no?

    My sources say no; that what ought to have been a confidential (for the sake of the complainant) investigation was leaked from on high. Given Paula Bennett’s utter disregard for people’s privacy – and the lack of any reprimand from Key – I see no reason to doubt my sources; it’s entirely in keeping with this Administration’s modus operandi (and the last one’s, too) [Note: Not saying Bennett was the leaker in this instance].

    Arguably, if it was the complainant who took his Police complaint about Darren Hughes to the media – then has he effectively revoked his right to privacy?

    Morally, I believe strongly that he would have done. Legally, no. One has to formally renounce the protection granted by law to victims of sex crimes and even then the judge has to agree so that the media are completely protected from possible prosecution – though practically speaking if a judge refused and a victim went ahead, it’d be a brave court that then prosecuted the media.

  58. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:34 pm “# Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    And then Penny went swimming with sharks wearing a raw meat swimsuit…”

    With all due respect Murray – given the quality of the debate and rebuttal from the ‘sharks’ – in my view – it’s more like swimming with a school of toothless goldfish.

    (Meant of course in a caring way :)

    Penny Bright
    Media Spokesperson
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  59. Peter (367) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:36 pm TLDR

    Peter
    Blog Comment Person
    Wasting Time Group
    Judicially recognised Time Wasting Person on politics and other time wasting matters.
    “Anti-Communist campaigner”.

    Attendee: The Malthouse
    Attendee: Molly Malones
    Thinking about becoming an Auckland Mayoral Candidate, if I can be bothered. Which, to be honest – I can’t.

    http://www.promoteyoursiteherejustlikephilu.com

  60. thedavincimode (1,427) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:39 pm Its time she stopped worrying about water pressure and focussed on what’s being put in the water – or at least the stuff she’s drinking.

    Does anyone think she’s noticed all the hoo ha surrounding a little event in Christchurch recently and what the financial implications are for this country? No no, just joking …

    “What do others think?”

    I think that you are a reasonably stupid woman and that your pathetic attempt to drum up some low rent publicity by creating something out of nothing in speculating on the least probable source of the leak is straight out of the Geoff Robinson handbook for silly old gits on the radio. Is he your mentor?

    thedavincimode

    Attendee: Santana concert last Sunday week (and well worth the trip).

    Attendee: Avondale Races December 1976

  61. David Garrett (108) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:41 pm Jeez DPF…just when you ban one ranting loony from commenting, another one arrives….wearing a cowboy hat…
  62. alex Masterley (576) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:45 pm My 2 cents.
    Penny and the plot parted company many years ago.
    Nuff said.
    alex Masterley
    VD & Scar,
    Attendee: My nieces wedding last week,
    Attendee: Mens urinal Octogon 1984.
  63. Christopher Thomson (187) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:47 pm On a positive note, the RIP add-on for Firefox has updated this week.
  64. Christopher Thomson (187) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:49 pm Please list all the names of the cases won and lost so we may see your strike rate and then look at your contribution.
  65. thedavincimode (1,427) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:51 pm Christopher Thomson

    Is there a precedent for having 22 judges hear a case? She claims a victory by 21-1. Or would she have mistakenly counted some of her cheer squad?

    Maybe just search Lexis on her name? That might provide some further amusement whilst Gaffey takes a breather.

  66. Christopher Thomson (187) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:56 pm she only scores 3 cases and those don’t look like winners.

    I would also like the names of the QC’s that she claims have sung her praises. Particularly as I will be likely to be chatting to these people.

  67. RRM (3,307) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:57 pm Penny – not that I want to knock you for having a go, but getting 124 votes in any public poll means you are a laughing stock, not a force in New Zealand politics.

    At that level of polling you need to be working out which aunts and uncles didn’t vote for you, and crossing them off your christmas card list.

    But hey, maybe I should start listing conferences I’ve attended, after my name on all my correspondence?
    I’m sure doing that would get me more respect. After all sitting on your chuff and listening to academic speakers is quite some achievement, even if there’s no examination at the end.

    Cheers;

    RRM
    Attendee: Jono & Dave’s 21st B-day pissup, Ghuznee Street 2001
    Attendee: Kelburn School Pageant; 2010
    Attendee: Holding hands together and hoping for a brighter future for gay whales conference; 2005
    Attendee: Murray offers sound level-headed opinions and I totally respect him conference; 2008, 2009, 2010.

    http://www.pleeeezreadmyblogandleaveacomment.marginalfreaks.com

  68. bhudson (1,071) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:58 pm Davincimode,

    The court she refers to is actually the “court of public opinion”. The results were 21 for, 1 against, and 4,000,000 abstentions from those who couldn’t care less as the re-run of the episode Blue Peter gets REALLY boring was on telly. A moral victory for Penny

  69. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:58 pm “# Inventory2 (6,008) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:30 pm

    Penny; given that you don’t seem to respond to subtlety, let me put this differently ….. bugger off!! This is DPF’s blog; you post here at his pleasure, and on the subjects he chooses.

    David – are you ‘Inventory’?

    If not – why are mere ‘poster boys/girls’ attempting to usurp your editorial role on YOUR blog?

    I am aware of your ‘rules’ – and as far as I am concerned – I am following them?

    However – if others choose to go ‘off-thread’ to personally attack me – I reserve the right to defend myself.

    Given your track record to date of respecting my right to hold considered opinions that may be very different to your own – I thank you for at least giving me the chance to try and raise the level of informed debate and discussion.

    I’m sure you acknowledge that this is not an easy task! :)

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    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

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  70. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:04 pm “# David Garrett (108) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Jeez DPF…just when you ban one ranting loony from commenting, another one arrives….wearing a cowboy hat…”

    errr… think you are confusing me with my good friend and, in my view, fellow ‘Public Watchdog’ – Lisa Prager.

    With comments like yours David – I think Parliament is well rid of you.

    Time for a ‘Code of Conduct’ for MPs?

    I guess that won’t apply to EX-MPs?

    What a shame.

    Penny Bright
    Media Spokesperson
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  71. thedavincimode (1,427) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:05 pm “my right to hold considered opinions”

    Nobody would argue with that. Care to try one?

    Christopher Thomson

    She doesn’t yet realise that its what lawyers say about you when you’re not in the room that counts.

    oops, nearly forgot

    … tdvm …

    Attendee : whatever

    Candidate: for a beer right now

  72. RRM (3,307) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:07 pm PS: Penny – you need to read this

    http://theoatmeal.com/comics/email

    Refer in particular to the 4th field “I hate your e mail signature”

    Cheers

    RRM
    Kiwiblog resident leftie troll
    Green Party voter
    Internationally recognised blog comments thread participant

  73. thedavincimode (1,427) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:08 pm “With comments like yours David – I think Parliament is well rid of you.

    Time for a ‘Code of Conduct’ for MPs?

    I guess that won’t apply to EX-MPs?

    What a shame.”

    OUCH!! That was it right there: the “considered” opinion – and well worth the wait. Channelling Chris Carter??

    … tdvm ..

    Nationally Ignored Blog Thread Comments participant

  74. RightNow (2,455) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:20 pm I think there’s a line missing from someone’s signature:
    “Candidate for getting a place at the trough”
  75. NX (476) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:20 pm Peter wrote:

    TLDR

    Peter
    Blog Comment Person
    Wasting Time Group
    Judicially recognised Time Wasting Person on politics and other time wasting matters.
    “Anti-Communist campaigner”.

    Attendee: The Malthouse
    Attendee: Molly Malones
    Thinking about becoming an Auckland Mayoral Candidate, if I can be bothered. Which, to be honest – I can’t.

    http://www.promoteyoursiteherejustlikephilu.com

    lol – http://www.bing.com/search?q=TLDR

    I haven’t seen that one before. Certainly come in handy over at The Standard (that’s if I still commented there).

  76. Christopher Thomson (187) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:27 pm And in her more lucid moments Penny is certain Bush was responsible for bringing down the twin towers.
  77. thedavincimode (1,427) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:42 pm How does she think he did that – poor parallel parking technique?
  78. NX (476) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:45 pm It’s all a conspiracy – Penns was hired by a corporate to protest against them in the most wacko, incoherent way possible with the aim to smear more legitimate campaigns.
  79. Inventory2 (6,009) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:50 pm @ RRM – your 4.57pm is gold!

    @ Penny – you don’t get it do you? We are all here at DPF’s pleasure. Most contribute positively to the ambience of the place, but sadly, some come here with an agenda to push that bears no relevance to the post in question. DPF has a General Debate thread each day where the rules are far more relaxed. Go and post your conspiracy theories there, where they can compete with the likes of Phil Ure (when his suspension expires), dad4justice and the God-hating MyNameIsJack.

  80. thedavincimode (1,427) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:51 pm NX

    Got it. Same tactics that Gaffey has been using.

  81. NX (476) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:58 pm Since this thread is already way off topic (thx to Penns).

    Redbaiter 110 05-May-11 2 months
    Phil U 60 24-Apr-11 2 months

    So the question no-body asked has been answered – they’ve been suspended.

    The comment threads are better without them, and so is my mouse (the scroll wheel really gets a worked out with Phil U’s comments).

  82. Pauleastbay (753) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:59 pm Whats particularly scary is that there are 124 fuckwits out there that voted for a troll.
  83. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 6:48 pm FYI Christopher Thomson:

    1) Not all Court cases are reported. Didn’t you know that? :)

    2) Suggest you have a wee chat to former Supreme Court Judge Ted Thomas, if you want to know how I’m am regarded by some of the significant NZ judicial heavyweights?

    Edmund Thomas
    Sir Edmund Walter “Ted” Thomas, KNZM, QC (born 1934) is a jurist and former New Zealand Court of Appeal Justice and a member of the Privy Council of the United Kingdom.

    He educated at Fielding Agricultural High School and Victoria University of Wellington graduating with a BA and LLB in 1956. He was admitted to the bar as a barrister and solicitor of the Supreme Court (later the High Court) of New Zealand.

    Following many years as a partner at New Zealand Law firm Russell McVeagh, he became a barrister sole and was appointed a QC in 1981.

    In 1989-1990 he was President of the New Zealand Bar Association, and in 1990 he was appointed to the bench of the High Court of New Zealand. In 1995 he was elevated to the Court of Appeal. He retired from the appellate bench in 2001. As a judge some saw him as a proponent of judicial activism. He was also noted for his frequent dissenting judgements, particularly after 1996.

    In 2002 Thomas was Visiting Fellow at the Research School of Social Sciences, The Australian National University, Canberra. From August 2004 he has been serving a two year appointment as Distinguished Visiting Fellow, The University of Auckland.

    He was appointed a director of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand in 2003, for a five year term.

    Justice Thomas was brought out of retirement to become an acting Judge of the Supreme Court of New Zealand from 2005.

    He was a noted author, his works including The Judicial Process: Realism, Pragmatism, Practical Reasoning and Principles (Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, 2005).

    Thomas was made a member of the Privy Council in 1996. In 2002 he was appointed a KNZM.
    _____________________________________________________________________________________________

    On Saturday, March 15, 8.30am-5pm, Auckland University, the Faculty of Law, University of Auckland hosted a
    one-day Symposium entitled “Civil Society: Using Law as a Sword”, which I attended.

    The organisers of the Symposium were Treasa Dunworth and Kris Gledhill of the Law Faculty, Rt Honourable Ted Thomas, Janfrie Wakim and Deborah Manning.

    At this Symposium, Rodney Harrison QC publicly (and favourably) acknowledged my track record in Court, and Ted Thomas QC referred to me as ‘the cutlass woman’, ( in a supportive and endearing way :)

    3) 9/11 FACT:

    “On April 5th, 2011, at 11 a.m., at the Federal Courthouse at 141 Church Street in New Haven, Connecticut, the case of
    Gallop v. Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Myers will be heard by the United States Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit.

    Gallop’s case relies on virtually all forms of evidence admissible in court, but significantly, on published scientific evidence that residues of these explosives were found in the rubble after the attacks. In its totality the proffered case establishes that the government hypothesis – that the buildings collapsed due to fire in combination with the airplane impacts – is scientifically untenable. ”

    http://www.americanpendulum.com/2011/03/career-army-officer-takes-bush-administration-officials-to-court-over-911/
    Career Army Officer Takes Bush Administration Officials to Court over 9/11

    _______________________________________________________________________________________________

    Hope this information is of assistance.

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright
    Media Spokesperson
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  84. Rich Prick (718) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 6:50 pm Jesus titty Christ, enough already. Bugger off you certifiable moonbat.
  85. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 6:54 pm On Saturday, March 15, 8.30am-5pm, Auckland University, the Faculty of Law, University of Auckland hosted a
    one-day Symposium entitled “Civil Society: Using Law as a Sword”, which I attended.

    That was Saturday, March 15, 2008. FYI.

    :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright
    Media Spokesperson
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  86. Pauleastbay (753) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 6:54 pm Is this moonbat Phil’s missus or something?

    Fuck! !!!!!! its been great the last couple of weeks, humour, salient points, good information, some good debate and arguments and then the disaffected loonies find KB

  87. davidp (1,757) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 6:55 pm Verbose crazy woman>Given the complainant’s lawful right to privacy – does anyone definitely know (with FACTS and EVIDENCE to back it up), who took to the media, the Police complaint about Darren Hughes?

    I suspect a different Public Watchdog brought the matter to the public’s attention. Or maybe it was the Wikileaks guys. So get your banjo ready for Dueling Public Watchdogs!

  88. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 7:03 pm # Rich Prick (718) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

    Jesus titty Christ, enough already. Bugger off you certifiable moonbat.”

    Sorry Cameron Slater(oops! ‘Rich Prick’) – but I was just exercising my ‘right of reply’?

    If you folk want to start it – I’ll finish it.

    As a ‘judicially recognised Public Watchdog’ – BE WARNED.

    (Politically speaking ) – I growl before I bite – but when I bite – I’ll rip your throat out.

    In a constructive, caring sort of way – of course :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright
    Media Spokesperson
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  89. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    “# Pauleastbay (753) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    Is this moonbat Phil’s missus or something?

    Fuck! !!!!!! its been great the last couple of weeks, humour, salient points, good information, some good debate and arguments and then the disaffected loonies find KB”

    Well – Pauleastbay – may I respectfully suggest that in order to maintain the ‘ humour, salient points, good information, some good debate and arguments’ – you keep your posts off KB, as arguably none of what you are saying appears to fall into any of your above-mentioned categories?

    :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright
    Media Spokesperson
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

They also laughed. When an apparently ridiculous question about Mr Goff’s support levels was asked, they laughed scornfully as one. When Mr Goff made a joke they again laughed as one, too loud and too long.

Some overdid it. David Cunliffe stood glued to Mr Goff’s side when they arrived and when he was asked how he would have handled it had he been Labour’s leader, he announced “I’m delighted to say I’m not the leader of the Labour Party.” He went on, further announcing that the actual leader of the Labour Party was “right here and he has my full support”.

Afterward, he was again glued to Mr Goff’s side. He nodded so hard when Mr Goff said he had unanimous support that he risked a dislocation. When Mr Goff was asked how he had tested his unanimous support, it was Mr Cunliffe who answered first, yelping “because we told him” and shaking his head in disbelief at the suggestion a show of hands might have been required.

I’m trying to think of what the scene best resembled. It reminded me of the 60 minutes interview by Steve Kroft with Bill and Hillary Clinton in 1992. You know the one – where they are trying to look like the relationship is perfect, but they are just trying a little bit too hard to be genuine.

But on the positive side, it worked for Clinton!

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89 Responses to “Nodding in unison”

  1. Peter (367) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:08 pm “I’m delighted to say I’m not the leader of the Labour Party.” 

    No doubt Phil will use that line soon enough….

  2. BeaB (687) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:10 pm Why do politicians insult us with these ludicrous displays?
    Aren’t any of these guys embarrassed? 

    In the meantime, the much derided Gerry Brownlee is busy trying to get Christchurch back on its feet and the National government are hard at work trying to get the country back on its feet. Doing the job we pay them to do.

    So who are the adults and who deserves our vote at the end of the year? Not the Labour clowns.

  3. slightlyrighty (1,766) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:15 pm A good point BeaB. Labour have been so busy in damage control thay have stopped meddling in the affairs of govt, letting them get on with getting things done. Darren Hughes may have been the most effective Labour MP as far as Christchurch is concerned.
  4. Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:30 pm This is better than the Christmas panto at Brighton pier. 

    And almost as convincing.

  5. DJP6-25 (352) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:32 pm Sounds like Stalins inner circle. “Do you agree comrades”? Da, cue furious nodding of heads in unison.
    What’s bad for the left is good for New-Zealand. 

    cheers

    David Prosser

  6. James Stephenson (474) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:33 pm @Murray 

    Oh no it isn’t!

  7. RightNow (2,455) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:41 pm @James 

    Oh yes it is!

  8. RightNow (2,455) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:43 pm Alfred E Newman and the Bobble-heads. Perhaps they should go and be kid’s entertainers, and we can get The Wiggles to come over and be our opposition party.
  9. fredinthegrass (173) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:45 pm Right now I am keen to assume leadership of the Labour Opposition – Yeah Right!
  10. Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:45 pm BEHIND YOU!!!!
  11. Monty (684) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 2:58 pm I loved the line “Behind him, they nodded like bulldog toys in the back of car” 

    this reminded me of Winston’s budget speech response a few years ago when his desperate and now forgotten caucas all responded in unison to certain comments. They all looked like desperate fools. Much like the Labour caucas yesterday.

  12. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:04 pm The Botany by-election, in my view as an Independent candidate, arguably proved that asset sales, particularly of electricity assets, is a vote LOSER for this John Key-led National Government. 

    Labour leader Phil Goff and candidate Michael Wood campaigned in Botany, opposing asset sales.

    Labour’s vote proportionately increased.

    National leader John Key and candidate Jami-Lee Ross, campaigned in Botany supporting ‘partial privatisation’ (oops! sorry ‘mixed ownership model’ for electricity assets.

    Arguably, Phil Goff’s ‘leadership’ in the Botany by-election was more effective than that of Prime Minister John Key’s?

    Despite both National Prime Minister John Key, and candidate Jami-Lee Ross publicly PLEADING for National Party supporters to get out and vote – the majority (over 9,000) stayed home.

    National’s electorate vote plummeted from over 17,000 in 2008 – to just over 8,000 votes in the 2011 Botany by-election.

    Are the (former?) 9000 National voters no longer going to vote National?

    How much does this Botany by-election result (the only poll that REALLY counts!) reflect the view of (former?) National Party voters all over New Zealand?

    Will proposed asset sales (particularly of electricity assets) prove to be a HUGE vote loser for this John Key-led National Party?

    There are arguably thousands of (former?) National Party voters, who still remember the ‘bad old days’ of the ‘inefficient’ Department of Electricity and Local Power Boards – when you could afford to turn your heater on.

    There are arguably thousands of (former?) National Party voters, who still remember National’s electricity reforms under former Minister of Energy Max Bradford, http://www.linkedin.com/pub/hon-max-bradford/a/14/48a which removed the ‘economies of scale’ under the Department of Electricity and Local Power Board ‘monopoly’ – and replaced it with the current, duplicated, ‘competitive’ model.

    “Energy Minister Max Bradford claimed that promoting competition in the electricity sector would bring price reductions, with gains flowing through to household and small business consumers. He identified long-term efficiency gains as the objective of the reforms (Bradford, 1998).”

    “Supposedly, the first wave of reform to New Zealand’s electricity sector – deregulation and the promotion of competition – “was about efficiency, competition and accountability to customers” (Douglas, 1995). The creation as an SOE of the Electricity Corporation of New Zealand (ECNZ) resulted in a monopoly in electricity generation and transmission which, presumably, could not be sold off in one piece. This implied the need for “unbundling” and Transpower Ltd was created to separate electricity generation and transmission, leaving generation with ECNZ. Contact Energy was split out from the ECNZ in November 1995, the intention being to create competition and, eventually, privatisation of electricity generation. ”

    http://www.converge.org.nz/watchdog/08/06.htm

    Have (former?) National Party voters, like other members of the public, experienced electricity ‘price reductions’, under the Rogernomic$ ‘commercialise, corporatise – PRIVATISE model? Of course not. has bPower bills continue to sky rocket upwards.

    Does this John Key-led National Party Prime Minister think that New Zealanders have experienced some form of collective frontal lobotomy, and forgotten their experience of the above-mentioned Rogernomic$ electrivity reforms – (of which we are all reminded, every month, when we get our next crippling power bill?)

    ‘Partial privatisation’ of electricity assets is HUGELY unpopular – arguably proven by the Botany by-election.

    So – the answer is to undermine the main political party which has stated policy of opposition to asset sales?

    In my view – that is EXACTLY what has been behind this corporate media ‘beat-up’ about the Darren Hughes Police complaint, and the subsequent attacks on Phil Goff’s leadership.

    Just like with the Winston Peters /NZ First corporate media beat-up over the complaints to the Police and SFO.
    Which came to nothing – but the continual political mud-slinging worked.
    Winston Peters and NZ First were effectively discredited and they failed to achieve the 5% party vote threshold.

    (Yet my complaints to the Police and SFO over arguably ‘shonky’ John Key’s attempt to flush out commercially sensitive information about Tranz Rail through an OIA request to Cullen, and his complaint to the Ombudsman after Treasury advised not to release this information, didn’t get as much as ONE sentence in the NZ Herald.

    What John Key did, was arguably an attempt to misuse public office for private gain – which is a ‘corrupt practice’.

    Not ONE sentence in the Herald.

    This is how ‘democracy’ works in NZ?

    We get the government the majority of big business want us to have – through corporate media manipulation – which this ‘Nodding in unison’ Herald article appears to perpetuate?

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

    (There you go David! This should help get the debate going! :)

  13. Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:07 pm zzzzzzzzzzzzz…….
  14. Peter (367) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:10 pm Brevity wins on blogs.
  15. Rich Prick (718) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:11 pm Penny, whatever.
  16. helmet (797) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:13 pm Penny; TLDR
  17. lofty (787) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:14 pm Move over Murray, and give me back my half of the duvet!
  18. backster (963) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:14 pm it was Mr Cunliffe who answered first, yelping “because we told him” and shaking his head in disbelief at the suggestion a show of hands might have been required.” 

    And individual poll would have been more convincing.

  19. Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:15 pm Concur.
  20. georgebolwing (271) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:18 pm Penny: you got 124 votes; Jami-Lee Ross got 8150 votes. 

    He is an MP, you aren’t. That is how democracy works in NZ.

    Now can we get back to discussing important things?

  21. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:20 pm “# Peter (360) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:10 pm 

    Brevity wins on blogs.”

    Really Peter!
    Who made THAT ‘rule’?

    Well-reasoned and considered opinion, based on FACTS and EVIDENCE isn’t a ‘winner’ for you?

    Prefer the short and not-very-sweet, ad hominum, hissy fit personal attacks, perhaps?

    Wouldn’t be because my considered opinion doesn’t match yours – by any chance?

    SURELY NOT!

    (Just LOVE that ‘freedom of expression’! :)
    ,
    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  22. Rich Prick (718) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:23 pm “my considered opinion” 

    HAHAHA, try wack-job conspiracy theory.

  23. Peter (367) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:25 pm “Who made THAT ‘rule’?” 

    It’s the truth, Ruth.

    “Wouldn’t be because my considered opinion doesn’t match yours – by any chance?”

    TLDR

    Too many things to read. One must be selective. Therefore, brevity wins, unless people already think you’re th’ shit.

  24. Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:25 pm “Really Peter!
    Who made THAT ‘rule’?” 

    Freaken reality made that rule.

    Who made YOU a public watchdog? Surely we are free to appoint our own without having an also ran self appoited on our behalf.

    SURELY.

  25. Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:26 pm And then Penny went swimming with sharks wearing a raw meat swimsuit…
  26. Inventory2 (6,009) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:26 pm Penny; this thread is about what plonkers the Labour front-bench looked yesterday. It’s nothing to do with National, it’s nothing to do with Botany, and it’s nothing to do with waterpressure. 

    Go and thread-jack somewhere else; Frogblog would be good ;-)

  27. Peter (367) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:29 pm I second FrogBlog.
  28. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:30 pm “# georgebolwing (270) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:18 pm 

    Penny: you got 124 votes; Jami-Lee Ross got 8150 votes.

    He is an MP, you aren’t. That is how democracy works in NZ.

    Now can we get back to discussing important things?”

    My vote was up by 124 – not down by over 9,000, as was National’s electorate vote in the Botany by-election.

    In my view – asset sales are a clearly LOSER – but John Key has nailed his colours to the mast by supporting this policy.

    If the Botany by-election result is replicated all over NZ in November, in my view, it will be ‘bye bye’ John Key /National.

    NB: You may have noticed perchance, the collapsed ACT vote in Botany?

    Strange as it may seem – it appears significant numbers of the public – remember, and DO NOT SUPPORT ‘Rogernomic$’.

    So what is this going to mean for Epsom?

    :)

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  29. Peter (367) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:31 pm Zzzzzz……
  30. Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:33 pm Meat our new chum Penny.
  31. Peter (367) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:35 pm If I wanted to make a boring, long-winded, self-important post no one would ever read, then I’d certainly post it on FrogBog…..
  32. Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:38 pm She certainly doesn’t seem that birght really.
  33. lofty (787) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:38 pm Penny who did appoint you “public watchdog” ? 

    If you want to be my representative without asking me Penny, I need to know a bit about you 1st, before I give you permission to act on my behalf, so I respectfully ask the following, to allow me to form an opinion on giving you licence to speak on my behalf, me being a member of the public and all.

    You see Penny, if I don’t like your answers and I suspect that this will be the case, you will not get my permission to speak for me, and I will then reserve the right to pull you up each and every time I see you attempt to do so.

    Who are the members of the Water Pressure Group, please.

    What are their (and your) political affiliations?

    Where can I find the reference to you becoming a Judicially recognised ‘Public Watchdog’ on Metrowater and Auckland regional governance matters.

    I don’t live in Auckland so are you willing to travel to represent me?

    How much does your unsolicited representation cost me?

    Who funds you & your group?

    Who are you answerable to?

    I have many more but I think this will give me the info I require to make a decision.
    Thanks

  34. tvb (1,705) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:41 pm A better scene is when Stalin spoke to a room full of the mentally insane and they all clapped and cheered at everything he said.
  35. Rex Widerstrom (4,165) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:45 pm Meanwhile, back waaaaaaaaaaay over there on topic… 

    This sort of nonsense gets played out increasingly in every political party as the “machine men” (and women) take over. I saw someone else remark yesterday on the fact that the complainant in the Hughes case wanted to make a career out of politics. Politics is something to which you temporarily bring your life experience and your particular background as a [insert name of real job here]. And if you’re still there after ten years you’re exceptional – exceptionally good or exceptionally bad and well-connected.

    One of the more considered analyses of the rout of Labor in NSW puts it this way:

    Leading figures seemed to be squabbling over the spoils of office. Labor’s culture was introspective and narrow and increasingly arrogant. Party membership was falling and internal party democracy was flawed

    Sound familiar? The real issue isn’t Goff’s leadership, or the pantomime played out to ensure it staggers on a little longer. It’s the underlying reasons why it has come to this, and what that says about the health not of one man’s temporary hold on the tiller, but of the hull that lies mainly under the water.

  36. lofty (787) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:49 pm Yes thanks Rex, could a minimum age of say 40 for an entrant to politics be advantageous? 

    And have to have been in gainful employment for at least say 15 years.

    Rules for all political parties in vetting their candidates etc.

  37. nadir (70) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:49 pm Penny- you should be well pleased then that “John Key has nailed his colours to the mast by supporting this policy.” There is an election later this year, so you should romp in as the electorate throws Key and the Nats out.
  38. NX (476) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:49 pm I don’t recall the National Party ever doing something like this, or at least to this degree. The Labour caucus’s simulated support for their leader with platitudes coming out of the wazoo could’ve passed for very good satire. 

    I think Labour’s performance is symbolic of the left in general. They love this fake, pretend stuff. As long as it’s well intended, then it’s all okay.

    If national tried something like this, not only would the media have a field day, but it’s the Nat supporters which would really take them to task.

  39. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:52 pm # Murray (7,182) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:25 pm 

    ““Really Peter!
    Who made THAT ‘rule’?”

    Freaken reality made that rule.

    Who made YOU a public watchdog? Surely we are free to appoint our own without having an also ran self appoited on our behalf.

    SURELY.”

    Actually, Murray, 4 District Court Judges acknowledged my Public Watchdog role on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters, in 4 of the 21 cases that I won, against Auckland City Council and the Police.

    So – I haven’t been elected, or appointed as a Public Watchdog – but if District Court Judges choose to acknowledge me as such – ‘Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters’ should accurately cover it – don’t you think?

    (I’ve also been publicly acknowledged as an ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’.)

    Because some were whining about my writing my ‘credentials’ out in full, as it were, I just abbreviated it to ‘Public Watchdog’.

    My mistake.

    Apologise is all I can do – plus go back to the ‘full nine yards’ job description (as it were?) :)

    Penny Bright
    Media Spokesperson
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  40. Peter (367) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:57 pm Attention is the scarce commodity, Penny. 

    Not typing.

  41. Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:58 pm “Actually, Murray, 4 District Court Judges acknowledged my Public Watchdog role on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters, in 4 of the 21 cases that I won, against Auckland City Council and the Police.” 

    Being a pathlogical whinger doesn’t make you my representative.

    In case you missed it we’ve been mocking you without mercy and you have as much credibility here as a labour party press release.

    You should go now.

  42. RightNow (2,455) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:02 pm Penny, regarding the Botany stats:
    Votes in 2011: 15421
    Votes in 2008: 30919
    Analysis: only half as many people voted. Both National and Labour supporters expected it to be in the bag for National, which is pretty much the entire reason for the low turnout. 

    “My vote was up by 124″
    Jami-Lee Ross’ vote was up by 8150 votes. You got deservedly drubbed.
    It must be nice to know that there’s 123 other people with similar issues as yourself though.

  43. RightNow (2,455) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:06 pm edit – Jami-Lee’s vote was actually up 8352. 

    Oh, and my ‘signature’

    Attendee: ‘Texas Chainsaw Massacre’, Paramount Theatre, Wellington, 1983

  44. lofty (787) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:09 pm I fear I will be waiting a while for answers from Penny, Oh well just in case she is reading this.
    Penny Bright does not have Lofty’s permission to act as any sort of watchdog or representative, and Lofty reserves the right to tell her so each and every time she attempts to do so. 

    Lofty

    “recognised for f..ck all” but a self appointed good bastard. (just ask my Grandchildren)
    Ex Smoker (8 weeks now)

    Attendee: Cossie club Wednesday nights
    Attendee: Fishing club tournaments

    Independant thinker 2011

  45. annie (226) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:10 pm Penny, your judgement and reasoning don’t look so hot right now. 

    Time to take your meds.

  46. BeaB (687) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:11 pm Penny I won’t tell you to go away with your nonsense but you do need to know that I never read your blogs. Too long, too boring, totally irrelevant.
    I actually think you might be a bit mad.
  47. annie (226) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:12 pm OK Penny, sorry, shouldn’t have said that.
  48. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:14 pm Given the complainant’s lawful right to privacy – does anyone definitely know (with FACTS and EVIDENCE to back it up), who took to the media, the Police complaint about Darren Hughes? 

    Was it the complainant?

    Yes or no?

    Arguably, if it was the complainant who took his Police complaint about Darren Hughes to the media – then has he effectively revoked his right to privacy?

    What do others think?

    Penny Bright
    Media Spokesperson
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  49. BeaB (687) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:14 pm And the Labour front bench made arses of themselves too.
  50. Rex Widerstrom (4,165) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:23 pm lofty suggests: 

    could a minimum age of say 40 for an entrant to politics be advantageous?

    Well we could legislate restrictions (beyond “must be a citizen, and not a criminal or a bankrupt”) on who stands for Parliament but we shouldn’t have to. Personally I don’t mind a caucus having one or even two ridiculously young faces amongst it, as crusty old sods like you or I can barely recall our yoof let alone know what’s important to the young people of today (though I suspect “better SMS plans” figures right up there :-D )

    It does worry me though when parties (and their candidates themselves) buy into nonsense such as the so-called “Battle of the Babes”, that demeans the office.

    And have to have been in gainful employment for at least say 15 years.

    Again, I find my real life experience as someone who was unemployed extremely useful. So does being able to speak as a small business owner; an employee; a prisoner; a journalist and all the other things I’ve been.

    Fifteen years life experience as a prerequisite for the majority of positions wouldn’t go amiss, but there’s more to life than work.

    Rules for all political parties in vetting their candidates etc.

    Yes, absolutely. The one – arguably most important – job in the nation is decided, in the main, by people we don’t know for reasons to which we’re not privy in meetings we don’t get to attend (I’m talking of course of safe seat preselections and list rankings). It needs to stop. It’s undemocratic and its effect on our democracy is caustic.

    The only exception, I have to admit, is the Greens (who allow all their members to rank their list) and, to some extent, Act, which has played round with the idea of primaries but then completely ruined it all with the way they gerrymandered their last list to appoint Garrett.

  51. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:26 pm # Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:58 pm 

    “Actually, Murray, 4 District Court Judges acknowledged my Public Watchdog role on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters, in 4 of the 21 cases that I won, against Auckland City Council and the Police.”

    Being a pathlogical whinger doesn’t make you my representative.”

    In case you missed it we’ve been mocking you without mercy and you have as much credibility here as a labour party press release.

    You should go now.”

    Really Murray?

    Actually thought that this was David Farrar’s blog – not yours?

    I would have thought that to a fair-minded person , my winning in Court 21- 1, when i defended myself, and have never been to University – let alone had a days formal legal training, wasn’t a bad track record.

    I know for a fact – because they’ve told me – a number of lawyers, including some prominent QC’s have been rather impressed with my track record.

    For the record – because you have yet to grasp the point – I am not claiming to represent anyone, when I call myself a ‘Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters’ – because that is a FACT.

    Sorry that you have such obvious difficulty coping with this………

    This ‘pathlogical whinger’ also played a key role in helping to stop the rort of Metrowater ‘Charitable payments’.
    (Ask Mathew Hooten or John Banks – who at least have the common decency to give credit where it is due? :)

    You might care to try it sometime for the novelty factor?

    ‘Giving credit where it is due’?

    Penny Bright
    Media Spokesperson
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  52. Christopher Thomson (187) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:29 pm This is from one of those cases; 

    “Reading Ms Bright’s first affidavit (dated 4 April 2008) one might be forgiven for thinking that there has been a misguided attempt to use this proceeding for political ends;”

  53. Christopher Thomson (187) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:30 pm and this classic; 

    “I also note here that Ms Bright is not acceptable to the court as an “agent” for the defendant/s.”

  54. Inventory2 (6,009) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:30 pm Penny; given that you don’t seem to respond to subtlety, let me put this differently ….. bugger off!! This is DPF’s blog; you post here at his pleasure, and on the subjects he chooses.
  55. lofty (787) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:30 pm Thanks Rex, I would love to engage but must close the office and head to the cossie ;-) 

    I actually agree with you sometimes Rex.

    Catch up later as I am sure that these issues will raise their heads again soon.
    Cheers
    Lofty

    “recognised for f..ck all” but a self appointed good bastard. (just ask my Grandchildren)
    Ex Smoker (8 weeks now)

    Attendee: Cossie club Wednesday nights
    Attendee: Fishing club tournaments

    Independant thinker 2011

  56. RichardX (38) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:31 pm Less than 1% of the vote would be considered within the margin of error in a poll …and I believe those voters may now see their error
  57. Rex Widerstrom (4,165) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:31 pm publicwatchdog asks: 

    who took to the media, the Police complaint about Darren Hughes? Was it the complainant? Yes or no?

    My sources say no; that what ought to have been a confidential (for the sake of the complainant) investigation was leaked from on high. Given Paula Bennett’s utter disregard for people’s privacy – and the lack of any reprimand from Key – I see no reason to doubt my sources; it’s entirely in keeping with this Administration’s modus operandi (and the last one’s, too) [Note: Not saying Bennett was the leaker in this instance].

    Arguably, if it was the complainant who took his Police complaint about Darren Hughes to the media – then has he effectively revoked his right to privacy?

    Morally, I believe strongly that he would have done. Legally, no. One has to formally renounce the protection granted by law to victims of sex crimes and even then the judge has to agree so that the media are completely protected from possible prosecution – though practically speaking if a judge refused and a victim went ahead, it’d be a brave court that then prosecuted the media.

  58. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:34 pm “# Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:26 pm 

    And then Penny went swimming with sharks wearing a raw meat swimsuit…”

    With all due respect Murray – given the quality of the debate and rebuttal from the ‘sharks’ – in my view – it’s more like swimming with a school of toothless goldfish.

    (Meant of course in a caring way :)

    Penny Bright
    Media Spokesperson
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  59. Peter (367) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:36 pm TLDR 

    Peter
    Blog Comment Person
    Wasting Time Group
    Judicially recognised Time Wasting Person on politics and other time wasting matters.
    “Anti-Communist campaigner”.

    Attendee: The Malthouse
    Attendee: Molly Malones
    Thinking about becoming an Auckland Mayoral Candidate, if I can be bothered. Which, to be honest – I can’t.

    http://www.promoteyoursiteherejustlikephilu.com

  60. thedavincimode (1,427) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:39 pm Its time she stopped worrying about water pressure and focussed on what’s being put in the water – or at least the stuff she’s drinking. 

    Does anyone think she’s noticed all the hoo ha surrounding a little event in Christchurch recently and what the financial implications are for this country? No no, just joking …

    “What do others think?”

    I think that you are a reasonably stupid woman and that your pathetic attempt to drum up some low rent publicity by creating something out of nothing in speculating on the least probable source of the leak is straight out of the Geoff Robinson handbook for silly old gits on the radio. Is he your mentor?

    thedavincimode

    Attendee: Santana concert last Sunday week (and well worth the trip).

    Attendee: Avondale Races December 1976

  61. David Garrett (108) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:41 pm Jeez DPF…just when you ban one ranting loony from commenting, another one arrives….wearing a cowboy hat…
  62. alex Masterley (576) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:45 pm My 2 cents.
    Penny and the plot parted company many years ago.
    Nuff said.
    alex Masterley
    VD & Scar,
    Attendee: My nieces wedding last week,
    Attendee: Mens urinal Octogon 1984.
  63. Christopher Thomson (187) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:47 pm On a positive note, the RIP add-on for Firefox has updated this week.
  64. Christopher Thomson (187) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:49 pm Please list all the names of the cases won and lost so we may see your strike rate and then look at your contribution.
  65. thedavincimode (1,427) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:51 pm Christopher Thomson 

    Is there a precedent for having 22 judges hear a case? She claims a victory by 21-1. Or would she have mistakenly counted some of her cheer squad?

    Maybe just search Lexis on her name? That might provide some further amusement whilst Gaffey takes a breather.

  66. Christopher Thomson (187) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:56 pm she only scores 3 cases and those don’t look like winners. 

    I would also like the names of the QC’s that she claims have sung her praises. Particularly as I will be likely to be chatting to these people.

  67. RRM (3,307) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:57 pm Penny – not that I want to knock you for having a go, but getting 124 votes in any public poll means you are a laughing stock, not a force in New Zealand politics. 

    At that level of polling you need to be working out which aunts and uncles didn’t vote for you, and crossing them off your christmas card list.

    But hey, maybe I should start listing conferences I’ve attended, after my name on all my correspondence?
    I’m sure doing that would get me more respect. After all sitting on your chuff and listening to academic speakers is quite some achievement, even if there’s no examination at the end.

    Cheers;

    RRM
    Attendee: Jono & Dave’s 21st B-day pissup, Ghuznee Street 2001
    Attendee: Kelburn School Pageant; 2010
    Attendee: Holding hands together and hoping for a brighter future for gay whales conference; 2005
    Attendee: Murray offers sound level-headed opinions and I totally respect him conference; 2008, 2009, 2010.

    http://www.pleeeezreadmyblogandleaveacomment.marginalfreaks.com

  68. bhudson (1,071) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:58 pm Davincimode, 

    The court she refers to is actually the “court of public opinion”. The results were 21 for, 1 against, and 4,000,000 abstentions from those who couldn’t care less as the re-run of the episode Blue Peter gets REALLY boring was on telly. A moral victory for Penny

  69. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:58 pm “# Inventory2 (6,008) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:30 pm 

    Penny; given that you don’t seem to respond to subtlety, let me put this differently ….. bugger off!! This is DPF’s blog; you post here at his pleasure, and on the subjects he chooses.

    David – are you ‘Inventory’?

    If not – why are mere ‘poster boys/girls’ attempting to usurp your editorial role on YOUR blog?

    I am aware of your ‘rules’ – and as far as I am concerned – I am following them?

    However – if others choose to go ‘off-thread’ to personally attack me – I reserve the right to defend myself.

    Given your track record to date of respecting my right to hold considered opinions that may be very different to your own – I thank you for at least giving me the chance to try and raise the level of informed debate and discussion.

    I’m sure you acknowledge that this is not an easy task! :)

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  70. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:04 pm “# David Garrett (108) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:41 pm 

    Jeez DPF…just when you ban one ranting loony from commenting, another one arrives….wearing a cowboy hat…”

    errr… think you are confusing me with my good friend and, in my view, fellow ‘Public Watchdog’ – Lisa Prager.

    With comments like yours David – I think Parliament is well rid of you.

    Time for a ‘Code of Conduct’ for MPs?

    I guess that won’t apply to EX-MPs?

    What a shame.

    Penny Bright
    Media Spokesperson
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  71. thedavincimode (1,427) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:05 pm “my right to hold considered opinions” 

    Nobody would argue with that. Care to try one?

    Christopher Thomson

    She doesn’t yet realise that its what lawyers say about you when you’re not in the room that counts.

    oops, nearly forgot

    … tdvm …

    Attendee : whatever

    Candidate: for a beer right now

  72. RRM (3,307) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:07 pm PS: Penny – you need to read this 

    http://theoatmeal.com/comics/email

    Refer in particular to the 4th field “I hate your e mail signature”

    Cheers

    RRM
    Kiwiblog resident leftie troll
    Green Party voter
    Internationally recognised blog comments thread participant

  73. thedavincimode (1,427) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:08 pm “With comments like yours David – I think Parliament is well rid of you. 

    Time for a ‘Code of Conduct’ for MPs?

    I guess that won’t apply to EX-MPs?

    What a shame.”

    OUCH!! That was it right there: the “considered” opinion – and well worth the wait. Channelling Chris Carter??

    … tdvm ..

    Nationally Ignored Blog Thread Comments participant

  74. RightNow (2,455) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:20 pm I think there’s a line missing from someone’s signature:
    “Candidate for getting a place at the trough”
  75. NX (476) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:20 pm Peter wrote: 

    TLDR

    Peter
    Blog Comment Person
    Wasting Time Group
    Judicially recognised Time Wasting Person on politics and other time wasting matters.
    “Anti-Communist campaigner”.

    Attendee: The Malthouse
    Attendee: Molly Malones
    Thinking about becoming an Auckland Mayoral Candidate, if I can be bothered. Which, to be honest – I can’t.

    http://www.promoteyoursiteherejustlikephilu.com

    lol – http://www.bing.com/search?q=TLDR

    I haven’t seen that one before. Certainly come in handy over at The Standard (that’s if I still commented there).

  76. Christopher Thomson (187) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:27 pm And in her more lucid moments Penny is certain Bush was responsible for bringing down the twin towers.
  77. thedavincimode (1,427) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:42 pm How does she think he did that – poor parallel parking technique?
  78. NX (476) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:45 pm It’s all a conspiracy – Penns was hired by a corporate to protest against them in the most wacko, incoherent way possible with the aim to smear more legitimate campaigns.
  79. Inventory2 (6,009) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:50 pm @ RRM – your 4.57pm is gold! 

    @ Penny – you don’t get it do you? We are all here at DPF’s pleasure. Most contribute positively to the ambience of the place, but sadly, some come here with an agenda to push that bears no relevance to the post in question. DPF has a General Debate thread each day where the rules are far more relaxed. Go and post your conspiracy theories there, where they can compete with the likes of Phil Ure (when his suspension expires), dad4justice and the God-hating MyNameIsJack.

  80. thedavincimode (1,427) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:51 pm NX 

    Got it. Same tactics that Gaffey has been using.

  81. NX (476) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:58 pm Since this thread is already way off topic (thx to Penns). 

    Redbaiter 110 05-May-11 2 months
    Phil U 60 24-Apr-11 2 months

    So the question no-body asked has been answered – they’ve been suspended.

    The comment threads are better without them, and so is my mouse (the scroll wheel really gets a worked out with Phil U’s comments).

  82. Pauleastbay (753) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 5:59 pm Whats particularly scary is that there are 124 fuckwits out there that voted for a troll.
  83. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 6:48 pm FYI Christopher Thomson: 

    1) Not all Court cases are reported. Didn’t you know that? :)

    2) Suggest you have a wee chat to former Supreme Court Judge Ted Thomas, if you want to know how I’m am regarded by some of the significant NZ judicial heavyweights?

    Edmund Thomas
    Sir Edmund Walter “Ted” Thomas, KNZM, QC (born 1934) is a jurist and former New Zealand Court of Appeal Justice and a member of the Privy Council of the United Kingdom.

    He educated at Fielding Agricultural High School and Victoria University of Wellington graduating with a BA and LLB in 1956. He was admitted to the bar as a barrister and solicitor of the Supreme Court (later the High Court) of New Zealand.

    Following many years as a partner at New Zealand Law firm Russell McVeagh, he became a barrister sole and was appointed a QC in 1981.

    In 1989-1990 he was President of the New Zealand Bar Association, and in 1990 he was appointed to the bench of the High Court of New Zealand. In 1995 he was elevated to the Court of Appeal. He retired from the appellate bench in 2001. As a judge some saw him as a proponent of judicial activism. He was also noted for his frequent dissenting judgements, particularly after 1996.

    In 2002 Thomas was Visiting Fellow at the Research School of Social Sciences, The Australian National University, Canberra. From August 2004 he has been serving a two year appointment as Distinguished Visiting Fellow, The University of Auckland.

    He was appointed a director of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand in 2003, for a five year term.

    Justice Thomas was brought out of retirement to become an acting Judge of the Supreme Court of New Zealand from 2005.

    He was a noted author, his works including The Judicial Process: Realism, Pragmatism, Practical Reasoning and Principles (Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, 2005).

    Thomas was made a member of the Privy Council in 1996. In 2002 he was appointed a KNZM.
    _____________________________________________________________________________________________

    On Saturday, March 15, 8.30am-5pm, Auckland University, the Faculty of Law, University of Auckland hosted aone-day Symposium entitled “Civil Society: Using Law as a Sword”, which I attended.

    The organisers of the Symposium were Treasa Dunworth and Kris Gledhill of the Law Faculty, Rt Honourable Ted Thomas, Janfrie Wakim and Deborah Manning.

    At this Symposium, Rodney Harrison QC publicly (and favourably) acknowledged my track record in Court, and Ted Thomas QC referred to me as ‘the cutlass woman’, ( in a supportive and endearing way :)

    3) 9/11 FACT:

    “On April 5th, 2011, at 11 a.m., at the Federal Courthouse at 141 Church Street in New Haven, Connecticut, the case of
    Gallop v. Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Myers will be heard by the United States Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit.

    Gallop’s case relies on virtually all forms of evidence admissible in court, but significantly, on published scientific evidence that residues of these explosives were found in the rubble after the attacks. In its totality the proffered case establishes that the government hypothesis – that the buildings collapsed due to fire in combination with the airplane impacts – is scientifically untenable. ”

    http://www.americanpendulum.com/2011/03/career-army-officer-takes-bush-administration-officials-to-court-over-911/
    Career Army Officer Takes Bush Administration Officials to Court over 9/11

    _______________________________________________________________________________________________

    Hope this information is of assistance.

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright
    Media Spokesperson
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  84. Rich Prick (718) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 6:50 pm Jesus titty Christ, enough already. Bugger off you certifiable moonbat.
  85. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 6:54 pm On Saturday, March 15, 8.30am-5pm, Auckland University, the Faculty of Law, University of Auckland hosted a
    one-day Symposium entitled “Civil Society: Using Law as a Sword”, which I attended. 

    That was Saturday, March 15, 2008. FYI.

    :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright
    Media Spokesperson
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  86. Pauleastbay (753) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 6:54 pm Is this moonbat Phil’s missus or something? 

    Fuck! !!!!!! its been great the last couple of weeks, humour, salient points, good information, some good debate and arguments and then the disaffected loonies find KB

  87. davidp (1,757) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 6:55 pm Verbose crazy woman>Given the complainant’s lawful right to privacy – does anyone definitely know (with FACTS and EVIDENCE to back it up), who took to the media, the Police complaint about Darren Hughes? 

    I suspect a different Public Watchdog brought the matter to the public’s attention. Or maybe it was the Wikileaks guys. So get your banjo ready for Dueling Public Watchdogs!

  88. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 7:03 pm # Rich Prick (718) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 6:50 pm 

    Jesus titty Christ, enough already. Bugger off you certifiable moonbat.”

    Sorry Cameron Slater(oops! ‘Rich Prick’) – but I was just exercising my ‘right of reply’?

    If you folk want to start it – I’ll finish it.

    As a ‘judicially recognised Public Watchdog’ – BE WARNED.

    (Politically speaking ) – I growl before I bite – but when I bite – I’ll rip your throat out.

    In a constructive, caring sort of way – of course :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright
    Media Spokesperson
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  89. publicwatchdog (79) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 7:09 pm  

    “# Pauleastbay (753) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    Is this moonbat Phil’s missus or something?

    Fuck! !!!!!! its been great the last couple of weeks, humour, salient points, good information, some good debate and arguments and then the disaffected loonies find KB”

    Well – Pauleastbay – may I respectfully suggest that in order to maintain the ‘ humour, salient points, good information, some good debate and arguments’ – you keep your posts off KB, as arguably none of what you are saying appears to fall into any of your above-mentioned categories?

    :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright
    Media Spokesperson
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

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