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‘Being attacked on KIWIBLOG by ‘toothless goldfish’ is like being savaged by a flock of dead lambs’ says ‘Public Watchdog’ Penny Bright

16 April 2011

Think you’ll enjoy this ‘debate’ (I use the term lightly 🙂 I had on Kiwiblog this evening!

(I did 😉

PROVES how effective campaigning against asset sales is – keep going Labour party supporters!

You have EVERY lawful right in NZ to have intersection pickets, holding your signs opposing asset sales!

If it were me – I’d be back tomorrow – same place – same protest.

Hey! Nothing is stopping National Party supporters holding signs saying:

“National supports asset sales!

Vote National!”

Just to see how many of the public toot their  support?

Come on National Party!

Get YOUR intersection protests happening – come on – get on with it!

WHAT’S THE HOLDUP?

😉

Penny Bright

Friction in Palmie Add this story to Scoopit!.

Jonathon Howe at the Manawatu Standard reports:

The first shots have been fired in the battle to win Palmerston North at this year’s general election, with National candidate Leonie Hapeta accusing Labour MP Iain Lees-Galloway of practising “nasty politics”.

Mr Lees-Galloway and about 15 supporters gathered outside Mrs Hapeta’s Hotel Coachman about 5pm on Monday – protesting against the Government’s plans to sell state-owned assets.

Mrs Hapeta said she felt attacked by the protesters, who held signs and waved at vehicles on both sides of Fitzherbert Ave.

“Having not met Iain since I became the candidate, I went out to introduce myself, and ask him why he was attacking my business, rather than holding the protest outside my campaign office,” she said.

A fair question.

But Mr Lees-Galloway, who is Labour’s Defence and Land Information spokesman, said the location was chosen by his Young Labour supporters because of the heavy traffic flow.

“There was no intention to target Leonie’s business and it hadn’t even crossed my mind,” he said.

“Yeah, when I got there I thought: `OK we’re outside the Coachman’ but it was no plan on my part.”

Just a coincidence then.

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86 Responses to “Friction in Palmie”

  1. jims_whare (141) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 1:07 pm Good thing MR LG’s middle name isn’t Pinocchio as he would have trouble eating his weetbix closer than arms length away
  2. freedom101 (241) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 1:07 pm It would be impossible for Natiional to hold a similar protest as no one in Labour has a business.
  3. ben (1,673) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 1:11 pm I’d expect nothing less from the party so desperate to retain power that it tipped democracy itself in its favour and against its opponents, and then, having been voted out, promptly voted against it. I refer of course to the odious EFA and for that Labour should never again be trusted with anything, much less control of government.
  4. m@tt (263) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 1:14 pm Politics is full of those kind’s of coincidences.
    Remember that time people jumped to the wrong conclusion about John’s blind trust being visible.
    The fact that two trusts were setup at virtually the same time, that one of the trustess of the not-so blind trust was associated with Key’s blind trust that the names of both trusts were tube stations that were directly connected and that the not so blind trust held shares that John Key had previously owned were all just political coincidences.
  5. Murray (7,314) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 1:24 pm Whats got 30 legs and no pubic hair?

    ILG support team. Swear to god their average age was 12.

  6. Pete George (9,651) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 1:24 pm It’s possible it was purely a coincidence, Lees-Galloway said he was just going where the Young Labourites took him, and it’s possible he knew nothing about his opponent, including not knowing where her business was.

    I do wonder though at his priority of issues for Palmerston North – partial asset sales aren’t even an official National policy for the election yet are they? National should publicy float all sorts of ideas so Labourites can waste their time protesting.

    The Labour strategy seems to be STOP. Stop drilling, stop asset sales, stop John Key from being popular, stop mining, stop thinking, stop caring about why Labour are doing so poorly.

  7. davidp (1,778) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 1:33 pm Protest outside Lees-Galloway’s home, anyone?
  8. Murray (7,314) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 1:34 pm Its not a coincidence, Lees Gal has started his campaign and hes being directly assisted by MUSA.

    My compelled union fees in action supporting another politcised union and a corrupt politician.

    By the why this one sent out that flyer about the the services people get from Labour the Thursday before the election knowing full well it would be too late for anyone to do anthing about it.

    This boys as dirty as they come and he really is suprised when people don’t play nasty like him.

  9. robcarr (79) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 1:34 pm If you check out their FB page you can see they have been signwaving regularly in pretty much all of Palmy so would be unusual if they didn’t end up outside the coachman at some point unless they made a deliberate decision not to signwave outside it when it is one of the busiest intersections.

    @Pete Asset sales were in National’s first speech of the year which is generally used to determine the future direction of the party. Makes them a relatively important part of their policy from what I can see. Labour would also probably campaign against asset sales anyway, they did in 2008 because it forces the government to promise to not do any before the election otherwise everyone assumes they are planning to do some.

  10. Bevan (3,396) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 1:45 pm Just a coincidence then.

    Classic Tui comment if there ever was one.

    Protest outside Lees-Galloway’s home, anyone?

    Does throwing a dozen eggs at his house constitute a legitimate protest method? If so, count me in.

  11. publicwatchdog (311) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:03 pm Mr Lees-Galloway and about 15 supporters gathered outside Mrs Hapeta’s Hotel Coachman about 5pm on Monday – protesting against the Government’s plans to sell state-owned assets.

    Mrs Hapeta said she felt attacked by the protesters, who held signs and waved at vehicles on both sides of Fitzherbert Ave.”

    errrrr…………… how about some FACTS here folks?

    What did these signs actually say?

    Did a protestor bash Mrs Hapeta with a piece of corflute?

    errr…. no?

    If Mrs Hapeta is so ignorant of the NZ Bill of Rights Act 1990, which allows peaceful protest and freedom of expression – and ‘feels attacked’ by people merely holding signs ‘protesting against the Government’s plans to sell state-owned assets’ – I for one, would have to question her ‘fitness for public office’.

    Good grief people.

    This is just PATHETIC.

    Just helps to confirm to me how twitchy National Party supporters are about the vote-losing ‘asset sale issue’? :)

    Penny Bright
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  12. davidp (1,778) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:06 pm Bevan>Does throwing a dozen eggs at his house constitute a legitimate protest method?

    Lees-Galloway is a former student politician and union official. Why not just invite Damian O’Connor around to insult him using his colourful and intolerant West Coast sentences?

  13. Pete George (9,651) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:09 pm robcarr – so it’s got nothing to do with whether asset sales or part sales may or may not be ok, it’s just more political posturing. So I’ll reword:

    I do wonder though at his priority of issues for Palmerston North – vague national policy political maouvering is more important than anything in the provinces.

    Ok, I forgot, Labour don’t care about what happens in the provinces.

  14. publicwatchdog (311) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:09 pm Pete George (9,644) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    It’s possible it was purely a coincidence, Lees-Galloway said he was just going where the Young Labourites took him, and it’s possible he knew nothing about his opponent, including not knowing where her business was.

    I do wonder though at his priority of issues for Palmerston North – partial asset sales aren’t even an official National policy for the election yet are they? National should publicy float all sorts of ideas so Labourites can waste their time protesting. ”

    errr….. sorry Pete – but asset sales are DEFINITELY an election issue.

    The evidence of this is the following You Tube clip taken during the 2011 Botany by-election, at a candidates meeting on the specific issue of asset sales.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zht3kVIwaX0

    Penny Bright
    Botany by-election candidate
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  15. davidp (1,778) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:13 pm Water Woman>If Mrs Hapeta is so ignorant of the NZ Bill of Rights Act 1990, which allows peaceful protest and freedom of expression – and ‘feels attacked’ by people merely holding signs ‘protesting against the Government’s plans to sell state-owned assets’ – I for one, would have to question her ‘fitness for public office’.

    Just because something is allowed by the Bill of Rights Act doesn’t mean it isn’t rude. Standing outside your house (assuming you live in a house instead of under a bridge) blowing a trumpet at 3am is peaceful protest. It’d still be rude.

    But I’m wondering why Labour are suddenly making an issue of asset sales. Clark and Goff sold several government trading departments back in the 80s. The last Labour government sold a whole lot of schools – my primary school has been bulldozed and used for private housing. They also tried to sell the Skyhawks and Aermacchis to a private company.

  16. Murray (7,314) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:17 pm Because “coincidences” are a feature of politics.

    But notice how the resident paranoid conspiaracy nutter doesn’t see any conspiracy when its not John Key on the grassy noll planting evidence of NASA landing on the moon.

  17. DrDr (48) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:20 pm I think the young Labour crowd knew exactly what they were doing. It’s no secret that Leonie Hapeta owns the Coachman ILG is possibly dumber than I initially thought or just a dumb liar.
  18. Komata (521) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:21 pm PB

    Given your various posts over the last few days, I have to ask Are you a Labour Party supporter or sympathiser?

    David p

    A reasonable question of course, but you should know the answer by now: its only all right if LABOUR do such things – for everyone else it is of course ‘totally intolerable and an attack on the peeple of New Zilind – especially the sexualy diverse, immigrants from the middle east, mauri, the beneficiaries, those on low incomes – and our Polynesian brothers.

  19. Murray (7,314) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:21 pm Hes pretty slow DrDr.
  20. Pete George (9,651) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:25 pm errr….. sorry Pete – but asset sales are DEFINITELY an election issue.

    eerrrr…what exactly is the issue? National have expressed an interest in looking at something but haven’t confirmed specifics, and Labour are campaigning on having absolutely no asset sales of any kind not matter what the pros and cons?

    I guess it is an issue if one party has a totally intransigent position, no matter what the facts, on something any prudent government would at least consider from time to time.

  21. publicwatchdog (311) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:26 pm # davidp (1,775) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    Bevan>Does throwing a dozen eggs at his house constitute a legitimate protest method?

    Lees-Galloway is a former student politician and union official. Why not just invite Damian O’Connor around to insult him using his colourful and intolerant West Coast sentences?”

    errr…. WHY exactly would you be protesting outside the house of Lees-Galloway?

    Because he, and Labour Party supporters exercised their LAWFUL right to freedom of expression and peaceful protest – which apparently WASN’T directed personally against Mrs Hapeta or her Hotel Coachman, but was an ‘intersection picket’ opposing asset sales?

    Think I’d be a little careful, if I were you, as to where some of you are going with this?

    Mind you – I have taken defence of my lawful right to freedom of expression, and peaceful protest to the point of arrest on MANY occasions – so I do feel rather strongly about it.

    Obviously a number of you don’t?

    Some of you don’t want Labour Party supporters to hold up signs at intersections – so you want to attack Lees-Galloway’s house with eggs?

    Oh dear me – how SAD is that?

    (Think you may find that may be stretching the ‘peaceful’ protest bit?)

    hmmmmm… maybe Labour, under Phil Goff’s leadership is campaigning more effectively than some of you are happy with?

    Maybe Phil Goff is now not quite as ‘ineffective’ as you thought, campaigning on asset sales?

    ;)

    bugger……….

    Penny Bright
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  22. Murray (7,314) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:29 pm And the kiss of death is delivered to Phil Goff.
  23. BeaB (745) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:36 pm The Nats always underestimate just how low and nasty Labour supporters are in pursuit of power. And they have the time to plot and scheme because they are not part of the productive sector.
  24. publicwatchdog (311) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:42 pm Komata (520) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    PB

    Given your various posts over the last few days, I have to ask Are you a Labour Party supporter or sympathiser?”

    I am totally opposed to the commercialisation and privatisation of public services and public assets.

    I work on an issue by issue basis.

    National has a stated policy of supporting ‘partial privatisation’ of (some?) state assets while Labour has a stated policy of opposing asset sales.

    On this issue I share common ground with the Labour Party.

    All good?

    :)

    Penny Bright
    http;//waterpressure.wordpress.com

  25. jaba (1,106) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:50 pm aha, we can always rely on Penny Not So with the Big Boobies to rile us up (10-20 demerits??) .. these baby commies can protest all they like and the nats office is a good place to do so .. go for it BUT to go to the person’s place of work/business is appalling but typical of the lefts need to act like low life scum with no ethics. (they have caused me to lower myself to get a point across).
    PNS with the BB’s, wants our politicaians to have a code of conduct (she once quoted the Pansy Wong case as an example) .. not sure what her definitian of stds is.
  26. Fisiani (399) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:51 pm There are hundreds of busy streets in Palmerston North and the Labour Party accidentally choose to demonstrate at the spot outside the business premises of their main opponent. (Pull the other one!) It just shows how scared they are of losing Palmerston North to National. If they repeat protests at the same spot then it obviously was not a coincidence. Putting the boot into a business for cheap political point scoring puts workers at risk. ILG should apologise for his small gaggle of adolescents.
  27. Pete George (9,651) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:52 pm Penny, do you oppose all types of asset sales or part sales, ever? If so, why?
    Do you think the government should keep accumulating assets indefinitely?
    Do you think that any asset, once it is owned by the government, is always best retained and managed by the government?
  28. jaba (1,106) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:55 pm I shouldn’t comment to JNS with the BB’s as it gives her a platform . RIP??
  29. Jmac (3) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:58 pm Penny, perhaps you would gain more than 124 votes in Botany if you didn’t call people ‘toothless goldfish’ and generally ‘play the man.’

    Just a thought… it’s not particularly winsome.

    Oh and.. what exactly do you know about Nationals plan to sell SOE? Which assets will be getting the chop?

  30. publicwatchdog (311) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 3:02 pm # DrDr (48) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    I think the young Labour crowd knew exactly what they were doing. It’s no secret that Leonie Hapeta owns the Coachman ILG is possibly dumber than I initially thought or just a dumb liar.”

    errr… WHAT did they do?

    Had an intersection picket opposing asset sales outside her hotel?

    BIG DEAL!

    Get over it.

    How truly desperate are you lot?

    (Meant of course, in a caring, if slightly exasperated way :)

    Penny Bright
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  31. Pete George (9,651) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 3:12 pm A privately owned hotel is not exactly the smartest location to protest public asset sales, surely they could have found an empty government building in town to protest beside.
  32. Boss Hogg (9) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 3:17 pm Seriously, who cares. People get worked up over the most trivial crap.
  33. Shazzadude (114) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 3:25 pm The hotel strip in Palmerston North just happens to be a very busy thoroughfare in the city. It could very well be a coincidence.
  34. davidp (1,778) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 3:30 pm Publicwatchbog>WHY exactly would you be protesting outside the house of Lees-Galloway? Because he, and Labour Party supporters exercised their LAWFUL right to freedom of expression and peaceful protest – which apparently WASN’T directed personally against Mrs Hapeta or her Hotel Coachman, but was an ‘intersection picket’ opposing asset sales?

    I’d want to exercise my lawful rights by standing outside his house late at night waving a placard opposing the Labour Party’s policy to spend huge amounts of money on services of very little value and leave the consequent debt to our children and grandchildren to deal with. And bang a drum. Bevan wants to throw harmless organic chicken products at his home to show his displeasure, as is his right.

  35. davidp (1,778) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 3:32 pm Pete George>Do you think the government should keep accumulating assets indefinitely?

    We’d need to build warehouses all across the country to hold all the old government furniture, vehicles, and other assets. Or we could leave them out in the open to rust, like Labour did with our air strike assets.

  36. publicwatchdog (311) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 3:34 pm errr…… here is what you must have missed back in late January2011?

    National Prime Minister John Key STATING National Party policy ‘to sell off parts of state assets’ in his ‘State of the Nation’ speech on 26 January 2011?

    Also ‘Pete George’ – you obviously are unaware of ‘intersection’ pickets.

    Not a particularly complicated concept?

    ‘Mohammed goes to the mountain’ sort of thing?

    ie: Protestors take their messages on placards to busy intersections where there are lots of cars – therefore lots of people can see them????

    Have seen lots of National Party supporters do EXACTLY THE SAME THING in Auckland?

    Don’t recall Labour Party members threatening to throw eggs at the houses of the National Party candidates for having the temerity to exercise THEIR lawful rights to freedom of expression and peaceful protest?

    Anyway – back to John Key announcing plans to sell parts of state assets……………

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10702066

    PM: Nats to sell parts of state assets
    By Claire Trevett
    2:36 PM Wednesday Jan 26, 2011

    Prime Minister John Key before his state-of-the-nation speech in Auckland today.

    Prime Minister John Key has announced plans to sell off parts of state assets and cut back on the rate of Government spending.

    Mr Key delivered his state-of-the nation address at Henderson’s Trust Stadium this morning to a group of about 380 people, mostly from the business community.

    Click here for the full text of Mr Key’s speech. ”

    All clear on this now are we?

    :)

    Penny Bright
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  37. Nick R (114) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 3:35 pm How dare these politicians engage in politics. Outrageous. They will be asking people to vote for them next.
  38. dime (3,071) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 3:38 pm sure, its a coincidence. now can someone explain why this guy is so piss weak he cant say to a bunch of young labour kids – this isnt right. lets do this elsewhere?
  39. publicwatchdog (311) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 3:45 pm Jmac (3) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Penny, perhaps you would gain more than 124 votes in Botany if you didn’t call people ‘toothless goldfish’ and generally ‘play the man.’

    If the cap fits – wear it?

    If you consider yourself a ‘toothless goldfish’ – that’s your problem – not mine.
    Did I say Jmac – you are a toothless goldfish’?

    errr…. no.

    I am ‘playing the man’?

    WHERE?

    FAR OUT!

    Are you a ‘first time poster’ – or perhaps you haven’t seen the CRAP that some of anonymous gutless ones have at times
    dished out to me?

    Think I am actually remarkably restrained in my responses, to be perfectly honest.

    I don’t swear, am not virulently or personally abusive – so I think you might be confusing my holding opinions with which you agree, with attacking the person – which I am not.

    :)

    Penny Bright
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  40. dime (3,071) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 3:48 pm reading posts from “public watch dog” makes me miss phil.

    national dont plan on selling any assets pre-election right? so why protest?

    its not like they are going to limit freedom of speech or get rid of the privy council without telling anyone. they are going to seek a mandate from the voting public.

    wouldnt this be just like national people organising a protest against labours secret mini-budget, prior to the last election?

    as someone else said though, its not like us right wingers can target a lefties business..

  41. Pete George (9,651) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 3:53 pm Has anyone ever checked how effective placard waving on the street is? Lake, does it ever make any differecne to what people think?

    Personally I usually think it’s a bit embarrassing and cringy. A bit like hapless happy clappers.

    I wonder why Macdonalds and Briscoes don’t advertise like that.

  42. publicwatchdog (311) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 3:55 pm # dime (3,069) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    sure, its a coincidence. now can someone explain why this guy is so piss weak he cant say to a bunch of young labour kids – this isnt right. lets do this elsewhere?”

    WHAT isn’t right?

    If the placards held at this intersection picket are focused on opposing asset sales – what ON EARTH is the problem?

    So the National Party candidate doesn’t like it/them?

    TOUGH.

    So the intersection is close to a hotel owned by the National Party candidate?

    TOUGH.

    So – this National Party candidate, and a number of her supporters on this blog – don’t believe in New Zealanders’ lawful rights to freedom of expression and peaceful protest?

    Put THAT in your National Party manifesto and see how popular THAT is with the voting public!

    Probably about as popular as asset sales?

    :)

    Penny Bright
    http://waterpresure.wordpress.com

  43. dime (3,071) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 4:09 pm youre missing the point penny.

    the dudes response was :

    “There was no intention to target Leonie’s business and it hadn’t even crossed my mind,” he said.

    “Yeah, when I got there I thought: `OK we’re outside the Coachman’ but it was no plan on my part.”

    so my question is:

    why didnt he change venue? his answers reflect that he new it was a shitty thing to do.

    im not saying it was illegal. good for him. but at least be honest and say “im a fucking scumbag”.

    id respect him more

  44. David Garrett (165) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 4:10 pm DPF: Are you monitoring this on your travels? Must we put up with this raving loony woman?? Most of us enjoy the lively and informed debate here… (I dont have that RIP thing….)
  45. Nick R (114) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 4:12 pm @ David Garrett: Seconded.
  46. publicwatchdog (311) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 4:20 pm # David Garrett (164) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    DPF: Are you monitoring this on your travels? Must we put up with this raving loony woman?? Most of us enjoy the lively and informed debate here…”

    Pity about your contribution then David.

    So – you don’t support the lawful rights of New Zealanders to freedom of expression or peaceful protest either?

    Probably just as well for those New Zealanders who do support our basic democratic rights that you are no longer in Parliament?

    Last time I looked ACT did actually support freedom of expression – so you may not have ‘fitted in’ very well there either?

    (Meant of course, in a caring, constructive albeit – ‘you start it and I will finish it sort of way’ :)

    Penny Bright
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  47. nasska (371) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 4:21 pm Regardless of the desperate attempt by Mr Lees-Galloway & the great unwashed to generate some free publicity I feel that the citizens of Palmerston North will shower them with undying gratitude.

    It’s been a long time since such an exciting event unfolded in the City of the Drain.

  48. Rex Widerstrom (4,232) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 4:22 pm Pete George suggests:

    if one party has a totally intransigent position, no matter what the facts, on something any prudent government would at least consider from time to time.

    Hey, there’s money to be made by turning NZ into a South Pacific money launderer. Or one long brothel, like some Asian countries. Or I hear the Australians are looking for someplace to dump their nuclear power station waste.

    Should a “prudent” government consider these exciting money making opportunities too? Or should it have a few principles… you know, those things people used to have before power and money became the paramount considerations.

    Selling infrastructure assets, anywhere, has always resulted in higher prices for the end user (e.g. electricity) and a brief bump in revenue for the government of the day (which often ends up having to buy it back … railways ring any bells?).

  49. publicwatchdog (311) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 4:34 pm dime (3,071) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    youre missing the point penny.

    the dudes response was :

    “There was no intention to target Leonie’s business and it hadn’t even crossed my mind,” he said.

    “Yeah, when I got there I thought: `OK we’re outside the Coachman’ but it was no plan on my part.”

    so my question is:

    why didnt he change venue? his answers reflect that he new it was a shitty thing to do.”

    err…. with all due respect – I think it is YOU who is missing the point. COMPLETELY and REPEATEDLY missing the point.

    WHAT is ‘shitty’ about Labour Party supporters having an intersection picket opposing asset sales – which happens to be close to a hotel owned by the National Party candidate?

    I’d have a lot more respect for National candidate Leonie Hapeta if she said something like this: –

    ‘I am delighted that Labour Party supporters are proving that our NZ democracy is alive and well, by exercising their democratic right to freedom of expression and peaceful protest. If I wasn’t bound by National Party’s policy of supporting asset sales, I’d be down there joining them. Well, given that myself and my National Party supporters have an equal right to freedom of expression and peaceful protest, I will organise a similar intersection picket, with placards saying:

    ‘Support asset sales!
    Vote National!

    It will be fascinating to see how many of the local voting public honk their horns and visibly show support for our policy of supporting assets sales. I look forward to practically checking ‘the public pulse’ on this very significant election issue’

    :)

    Penny Bright
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  50. MT_Tinman (1,374) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 4:43 pm Rex Widerstrom (4,228) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 4:22 pm

    Selling infrastructure assets, anywhere, has always resulted in higher prices for the end user (e.g. electricity) and a brief bump in revenue for the government of the day (which often ends up having to buy it back … railways ring any bells?).

    Rex, I have two questions about the quoted paragraph.

    Please give me details of ALL infrastructure asset sales with the resultant price rises.

    Please also explain the compulsion NZ had to buy back the railways.

  51. Rick Rowling (212) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 4:51 pm The question no-one ever answers on asset sales:

    Given the assertion that all asset sales are bad, does this mean that:

    (a) The government currently owns exactly the right mix of assets;

    (b) The government currently owns the right assets, but should also buy more;

    (c) Something else (explain).

    / I note Penny has been silent on whether asset sales are bad, and has only said that the policy of asset sales is a vote-loser.

  52. krazykiwi (6,756) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 4:59 pm @RR, whether it’s an absence of words, or a surfeit of foot, silence is not such a bad thing in this instance :)
  53. publicwatchdog (311) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 5:02 pm Here we go folks.

    If you don’t know your rights – you don’t have any.

    If you don’t defend the rights that you are supposed to have – you lose them.

    Given that some of you appear to be profoundly ignorant of your (our) lawful rights to freedom of expression and peaceful assembly – here they are so you can study them for yourselves, and take them on board.

    New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990 14. Freedom of expression

    —Everyone has the right to freedom of expression, including the freedom to seek,receive, and impart information and opinions of any kind in any form.

    _______________________________________________________________________________________________

    New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990 16. Freedom of peaceful assembly

    —Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly.
    _______________________________________________________________________________________________

    All good?

    GOT IT?

    That’s great. :)

    FYI and consideration, some years ago I did a comparison of the NZ Bill of Rights Act (BORA) 1990, with its arguably far superior ‘parent’ document – the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) 1948.

    To the best of my ability, I have done a cut and paste job so that our basic human rights can be easily compared.

    You can see for yourselves that our NZ BORA is arguably a weak and crippled stunted dwarf compared with the UDHR.
    Interesting that it took NZ 42 years to finally get the NZ BORA 1990 on the books, after the UDHR was launched in 1948.

    I’ve put this compilation on my blog – so you can see it for yourself.
    Feel free to use it if it is helpful to you.

    Penny Bright
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  54. Muzza M (141) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 5:07 pm Hey Labour people, doing things and saying things that are perceived by the average person as being nothing more than muck raking and shit slinging is why the Helen Clark government got its arse kicked. Kiwis have had enough of this nastiness. Just some free advice.
  55. magic bullet (407) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 5:10 pm Thanks penny!
  56. publicwatchdog (311) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 5:19 pm # freedom101 (241) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 1:07 pm

    It would be impossible for Natiional to hold a similar protest as no one in Labour has a business.”

    What – National Party supporters can’t make and hold placards at intersections?

    (They can do this in Auckland – I’ve seen them! ;)

    Hey!

    They could hold a National pro-asset sale picket AT THE SAME INTERSECTION that Labour did!

    It would be right outside Mrs Hapeta’s Hotel Coachman, and just like the Labour supporters, the National supporters could hold their signs supporting asset sales and wave at vehicles on both sides of Fitzherbert Ave.

    HOW CONVENIENT!

    Then maybe they could go back to the pub for a drink or something and reflect on just how many of the voting public were tooting in support of asset sales?

    Hmmmm……….. might end up more of a ‘wake’ than a celebration?

    WHY DON’T NATIONAL TRY IT AND SEE?

    :)

    Penny Bright
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  57. labrator (808) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 5:56 pm Has anyone seen philu and Penny Bright on the same thread at the same time? Don’t cross the streams…
  58. NX (484) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 6:10 pm I thought Palmerston North was a quarantine for gingas . . . .
  59. reid (6,788) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 6:10 pm Odd isn’t it how none of the lefties here appear to understand what they did wrong.

    They’re either stupid or they’re liars.

    I wonder which one it is?

    Disgusting creatures.

  60. big bruv (8,932) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 6:14 pm Comrade Penny Bright.

    Given we live in a democracy would you be happy to go along with the will of the people if there is a clear majority in favour of partial asset sales?

    Would you then accept that the majority of Kiwis do not care?, would you fold your tent, get a real job and stop your narcissistic personal crusade for public recognition?

  61. publicwatchdog (311) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 6:17 pm # labrator (808) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Has anyone seen philu and Penny Bright on the same thread at the same time? Don’t cross the streams…”

    Don’t know philu from a bar of soap – but if you poor things can’t handle the arguments that I’m putting forward, then don’t know how the hell you’re going to cope with TWO of us with a similar point of view? ;)

    Or maybe it’s been the end of a long. hard week and you’re just tired and not trying very hard?

    But the quality of the debate on this SIGNIFICANT issue of freedom of expression has been, (how do I put this nicely)
    pretty pathetic.

    Maybe it’s just that I’ve had a bit of practice over the years on this issue – so I’m a bit more up with the play? :)

    Oh well – sometimes when there is heat – there is light?

    Hopefully some of you now are a little more aware of the LAWFUL democratic rights that New Zealanders have to freedom of expression and peaceful protest?

    With a surname like mine – I’m genetically hardwired to be optimistic – just can’t help myself.

    ;)

    Penny Bright
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  62. nickb (1,972) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    reading posts from “public watch dog” makes me miss phil.

    Haha fuck me I am thinking the same thing! At least phil had a semblance of personality and would crack a funny every so often. Penny is just a Dronebot from an outer galaxy.

  63. publicwatchdog (311) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 6:33 pm # nickb (1,971) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    reading posts from “public watch dog” makes me miss phil.

    Haha fuck me I am thinking the same thing! At least phil had a semblance of personality and would crack a funny every so often. Penny is just a Dronebot from an outer galaxy.”

    Thanks for the offer nickb – but I think I’ll pass.

    You can’t handle the debate?

    Harden up.

    :)

    Penny (obviously too) Bright (for some of you lot ;)
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  64. kiwi in america (1,169) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 6:41 pm oh dear – here was me thinking that PB was a female version of phil and no sooner did I think the thought then she posts that she pines for phil! I guess he passed on the urge to post mindless leftist dribble through cyberspace – at least we’re spared the endless dots ……… and pro drug ranting!

    Phil fed off people debating him – can I suggest the easiest way to moderate Penny’s effusions is to ignore her!

  65. publicwatchdog (311) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 6:47 pm # reid (6,781) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Odd isn’t it how none of the lefties here appear to understand what they did wrong.

    They’re either stupid or they’re liars.

    I wonder which one it is?

    Disgusting creatures.”

    No Reid, it is not ‘odd’ because ‘none of the lefties’ have done anything wrong.

    I think what is ‘disgusting’ is when people like you – who are apparently pig-ignorant of our basic human rights – just ‘make it up’.

    Sorry Reid, but in my considered opinion, it is those (like you) who STILL have no understanding of the lawful rights to freedom of expression and peaceful protest, despite my BEST efforts to provide the information, who are the ‘stupid’ ones.

    Toothless. wilfully blind little goldfish – just full of empty little goldfish bubbles…………quite sad really…….. :(

    All the best.

    :)

    Penny Bright
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  66. big bruv (8,932) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 6:52 pm Comrade Bright

    Care to answer the question I asked of you at 6.14pm?

  67. tankyman (102) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 7:00 pm @Jmac. Sorry just to check something you posted. “124″ votes? Serious? Thats laughable
  68. publicwatchdog (311) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 7:03 pm # big bruv (8,928) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 6:14 pm

    Comrade Penny Bright.

    Given we live in a democracy would you be happy to go along with the will of the people if there is a clear majority in favour of partial asset sales?

    Would you then accept that the majority of Kiwis do not care?, would you fold your tent, get a real job and stop your narcissistic personal crusade for public recognition?”

    Poor Big Bruv – yet another sad little goldfish – full of hot air – who simply can’t handle the debate.

    errr…. thanks for the employment advice, but I actually have an (albeit unpaid) VERY important job, and judging by the responses I’m getting from some – especially you Big Bruv – I’m right on target – or I wouldn’t be copping the flak.

    Keep going!

    Some boyz are SO silly! :)

    Don’t you realise that you are my barometer?

    The more you appear to be upset by my well-informed and considered opinions – the more I realise just how effective I must be and what good job I must be doing!

    I mean – no one is has a gun to your head FORCING you to read my posts – are they?
    SO WHY DO YOU – if they so upset you?

    Just ignore them Big Bruv!
    (You just can’t – can you? Poor little toothless goldfish – absolutely NO self-discipline – how sad is that? :( Diddums…… :)

    Thanks you SO much for the compliment Big BRuv.

    You have made my evening ;)

    Quite possibly the feeling is not mutual?

    SO sorry – but not my problem.

    Penny (obviously far too) Bright (for you Big Bruv ;)
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  69. big bruv (8,932) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 7:13 pm Comrade Penny

    I note that you still did not answer the question, like all narcissists you have fallen into the trap of thinking that this is all about you.

    Now…given you make a big noise about democracy will you abide by the democratic will of the people if they vote in favour of partial asset sales?

    If not…why not?

  70. James (1,122) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 7:35 pm Penny…just what are these “assets? What makes them “assets” and who are the actually “assets” for…?
  71. reid (6,788) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 7:39 pm Sorry Reid, but in my considered opinion, it is those (like you) who STILL have no understanding of the lawful rights to freedom of expression and peaceful protest, despite my BEST efforts to provide the information, who are the ‘stupid’ ones.

    Toothless. wilfully blind little goldfish – just full of empty little goldfish bubbles…………quite sad really……..

    Uh duh Penny. How many lawyers does liarbore have, you know, people like Charles Chauvel? What if the Nats, when he was first standing as an unelected candidate, had gone and stood outside his law firm and behaved exactly the way your mob did today.

    That’s the issue. Not human rights.

    What you’re saying is that’s perfectly OK. Fine. Reap the whirlwind, idiot.

    Let’s identify every single Liarbore candidate regardless of whether or not they’re elected, and fund people to go along and hold a ‘political protest’ outside their places of work every single day from now till the election. Schools, hospitals, university depts, govt depts, the local dole office, will all be inundated with daily protests. If they don’t work, we’ll go and stand outside their homes. In fact, we’ll do that anyway, cause it’s a “lawful right to freedom of expression and peaceful protest.”

    Fucking d’oh Penny. I used to think sometimes you had a good point. Sorry to say (for you) that’s no longer the case.

    P.S. Penny, when I ignore something you say, that pertains to something I have said, the usual reason is cause I think, IMO, it’s irrelevant, it doesn’t apply or it’s simply incorrect. It’s rather tiresome correcting dissembly, for that’s what it is. If you don’t know you’re doing it, then that makes you rather stupid. If you do know you’re doing it, that makes you evil. Which is it?

  72. publicwatchdog (311) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 7:49 pm # big bruv (8,930) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Comrade Penny

    I note that you still did not answer the question, like all narcissists you have fallen into the trap of thinking that this is all about you.

    Now…given you make a big noise about democracy will you abide by the democratic will of the people if they vote in favour of partial asset sales?

    If not…why not?”

    This is my view:

    It must be a lawful requirement that it is only a binding vote of the public majority that can determine whether public assets held at NZ Central Govt or Local Govt level are sold; or long-term leased via Public-Private –Partnerships.

    It must be a lawful requirement that a ‘cost-benefit analysis’ of NZ Central Govt public finances be undertaken to substantiate that private procurement of public services previously provided ‘in-house’ is cost-effective for the public majority.

    Hope that helps Big Bruv.

    Cheers!

    Penny Bright
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  73. reid (6,788) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 8:06 pm It must be a lawful requirement that a ‘cost-benefit analysis’ of NZ Central Govt public finances be undertaken to substantiate that private procurement of public services previously provided ‘in-house’ is cost-effective for the public majority.

    Penny you seem to have a lot of faith in business cases (a.k.a. “cost-benefit analyses) and I assume you support Len’s published business case for his CBD loop?

    Is that correct?

  74. big bruv (8,932) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 8:06 pm Penny

    Once again you have avoided the question, I will try one last time.

    This election will be one where asset sales feature prominently, should the Nat’s emerge with a clear majority will you take that as the word of the people you claim to represent and take it as democracy in action?

    Surely if you are so keen on democracy you would welcome the choice of the people and give up your pointless campaign?

  75. publicwatchdog (311) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 8:08 pm Fucking d’oh Penny. I used to think sometimes you had a good point. Sorry to say (for you) that’s no longer the case.”

    Oh dear – poor Reid -hasn’t yet learned the art of dealing with matters on an issue by issue basis in order to maximise unity and effectiveness.

    So you cut off your poor little goldfish nose to spite your poor little goldfish face?

    Diddums :(

    How DUMB is that?

    For the umpteenth time – the Labour Party asset sale intersection picket – (if you bothered to read what was actually stated in the article………

    “Mr Lees-Galloway and about 15 supporters gathered outside Mrs Hapeta’s Hotel Coachman about 5pm on Monday – protesting against the Government’s plans to sell state-owned assets.

    Mrs Hapeta said she felt attacked by the protesters, who held signs and waved at vehicles on both sides of Fitzherbert Ave.”

    INTERSECTION PICKET ‘idiot’!
    Aimed at the TRAFFIC ‘idiot’!
    Not outside the hotel ‘idiot’!

    THE PROTEST WASN’T AIMED AT THE HOTEL (‘idiot’) IT WAS AIMED AT THE TRAFFIC!

    Uh duh!

    Got it now ‘idiot’?

    :)

    Keep at it Reid, and one day you may develop a bit more political ‘nous’?

    You’re not showing a lot at the moment – but if you (eventually) take on board that people can have differing viewpoints on a number of issues, and you can agree to disagree in a civilised way – then you don’t end up wanting to ‘throw the baby out with the bathwater’ – like you are doing (like a spoilt brat hissy fit six year old).

    “Fucking d’oh Penny. I used to think sometimes you had a good point. Sorry to say (for you) that’s no longer the case.”

    How TRULY PATHETIC are you Reid – (on this particular issue)?

    Oh – I see.
    I have a good point when YOU agree with it?

    Ever occurred to you REID that just because you don’t (at this particular point in time) agree with me, that it may still be a good point?

    No?

    Try growing up.

    (Meant of course, in a caring way ;)

    Penny (too) Bright (for you to handle on this issue? :)
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  76. Nookin (581) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 8:12 pm “It must be a lawful requirement that it is only a binding vote of the public majority that can determine whether public assets held at NZ Central Govt or Local Govt level are sold; or long-term leased via Public-Private –Partnershipsunder.”

    What is wrong with the current process under the Local Government Act and the guiding principles under the Public Finance Act? Or do you want to make it logistically impossible to make a decision?

  77. reid (6,788) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    THE PROTEST WASN’T AIMED AT THE HOTEL (‘idiot’) IT WAS AIMED AT THE TRAFFIC!

    Uh duh!

    Got it now ‘idiot’?

    Er, yes it was actually, Penny.

    The protesters – all unionists, parked their van 150m down the road, walked to the Coachman, started protesting, left when told to by the candidate, went 150m back down the road to their van, and continued protesting.

    A court of law would convict you for that.

    What a moron.

  78. publicwatchdog (311) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 8:35 pm # big bruv (8,931) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Penny

    Once again you have avoided the question, I will try one last time.

    This election will be one where asset sales feature prominently, should the Nat’s emerge with a clear majority will you take that as the word of the people you claim to represent and take it as democracy in action?

    Surely if you are so keen on democracy you would welcome the choice of the people and give up your pointless campaign?”
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Sorry Big Bruv, as I pointed out (quite clearly I thought) my considered opinion is that a vote should be on the specific issue of
    asset sales – not if National gets in – therefore that becomes a blanket mandate.

    All clear now are we?

    To assist – I have compiled some key evidence to back up my concerns on how, in my considered opinion, we tend to get the government that the majority of big business want us to have, and achieve that through corporate media manipulation.

    It is not complicated.

    Big business and National support partial privatisation /asset sales.

    The public and Labour (according to their 2011 stated position – which is different to that of the 1984 -87 Labour Government) now oppose partial privatisation/ asset sales.

    So – arguably big business/National – through their connections with corporate media begin a campaign to undermine Labour.

    First Darren Hughes, then Phil Goff’s leadership over his handling of the Darren Hughes matter, then the big fuss over the ill-disciplined comment by Damien O’Connor about gays and unionists – now this absolute stupid little ‘storm in a teacup over
    a lawful intersection picket focusing on Labour’s opposition to asset sales.

    The hope is that that the marvellous ‘spin doctor’ packaging of ex and current corporate raider (shonky?) John Key – will last and somehow the public who are SO taken by ‘Mr (phoney as hell) ‘Popular Prime Minister – will have some form of collective frontal lobotomy and forget their monthly power bills, and the ‘bad old ‘inefficient days’ before Max Bradford’s electricity reforms – when you could afford to turn your heater on in winter.

    There will be more of such ‘pickiness’, in my opinion….. a LOT more.

    If you want to see the results of my research – you know where to look.

    :)

    Penny Bright
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

    PS: “Surely if you are so keen on democracy you would welcome the choice of the people and give up your pointless campaign?”
    Thank you for confirming that I am DEFINITELY ‘on track’ with my ‘pointless’ campaign.

    Good on you Big Bruv – thanks for that! ;)

  79. Inventory2 (6,073) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 8:40 pm Let’s make sure that asset sales ARE an election issue. Then we can scrutinise the cabinet voting records of Goff, King et al between 1984 & 1990 when assets were sold with gay abandon. Bring it on!
  80. reid (6,788) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 8:47 pm You know what the tragedy is here Penny, with tactics like what your mob use all the time?

    It’s the real issue get’s lost.

    The protest was about asset sales.

    Who knows that?

    Hardly anyone.

    That’s your fault, BTW, not the “biased media’s” fault.

    Shame, it would have been much more interesting shooting you lefty mentals down in flames over asset sales than over this action by a mean, vicious, spiteful and typical, Liarbore activist.

    I2, snap.

  81. publicwatchdog (311) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 8:53 pm # reid (6,785) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    THE PROTEST WASN’T AIMED AT THE HOTEL (‘idiot’) IT WAS AIMED AT THE TRAFFIC!

    Uh duh!

    Got it now ‘idiot’?

    Er, yes it was actually, Penny.

    The protesters – all unionists, parked their van 150m down the road, walked to the Coachman, started protesting, left when told to by the candidate, went 150m back down the road to their van, and continued protesting.

    A court of law would convict you for that.

    What a moron.”

    So how come the article which is the subject of this thread, says:

    “Mr Lees-Galloway and about 15 supporters gathered outside Mrs Hapeta’s Hotel Coachman about 5pm on Monday – protesting against the Government’s plans to sell state-owned assets.

    Mrs Hapeta said she felt attacked by the protesters, who held signs and waved at vehicles on both sides of Fitzherbert Ave.”

    A court of law would convict me FOR WHAT?

    You would know of course Reid.

    Think I’ve probably had A LOT more experience with protesting, and courts than you?

    If I had been there – I wouldn’t have budged ONE INCH, and would have suggested to Mrs Hapeta that she and National party supporters had an equal right to freedom of expression and peaceful protest, and could organise a similar intersection picket, with placards saying:

    ‘Support asset sales!
    Vote National!

    Right outside her hotel.

    “What a moron”?

    A bit of ‘projection’ happening here again is there ‘Reid’.

    How can I put this respectfully?

    You just don’t appear to have a blinding clue……… (well on this issue anyway :)

    Ok folks!

    It’s been fascinating trying to educate you about your basic human rights, and I could be here all night – but I’ve now got some intelligent and pleasant male company – (SUCH a change from Kiwiblog ;) so!

    Bye for now :)

    Penny Bright
    htp://waterpressure .wordpress.com

  82. reid (6,788) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 8:59 pm So how come the article which is the subject of this thread, says:

    “Mr Lees-Galloway and about 15 supporters gathered outside Mrs Hapeta’s Hotel Coachman about 5pm on Monday – protesting against the Government’s plans to sell state-owned assets.

    Mrs Hapeta said she felt attacked by the protesters, who held signs and waved at vehicles on both sides of Fitzherbert Ave.”

    Because my source of the information I gave Penny is not that article. Duh.

    You would know of course Reid.

    Apparently, that’s true, Penny.

    Bye for now.

  83. big bruv (8,932) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 9:09 pm Comrade Penny

    So….in typical left wing fashion you will ignore the will of the people, you will push aside what a majority want and press on with your very own left wing version of democracy.

    We have seen what the left class as democratic, it was called the Electoral Finance act, it outlawed anybody who dared speak out against the government, it seems you favour that same style of democracy, in other words, if you get the outcome you want then it is democratic, it does not matter what the majority might want.

    Look Comrade, nobody is denying you the opportunity to protest, but perhaps you should stop hiding behind this democracy lark, there is nothing democratic in your endeavours, you want to force the majority to do things your way…..the typical actions of a socialist/communist.

  84. James (1,122) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 9:44 pm Most of what comrade Bright calls assets are in fact liabilities to every kiwi taxpayer…their constant subsidised upkeep ( they tend to lose money like rail etc) keeps us poorer than we would be if able to retain control of our REAL assets…which are the earned dollars in our pockets and use them where WE choose. State assets are only assets to those who comprise the state…and bludgers who want a freebie off of someone else’s effort.
  85. nickb (1,972) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 10:54 pm Penny is nothing but a troll, both metaphorically and (looking from the photo of her posted on here) literally.
  86. publicwatchdog (311) Says:
    April 16th, 2011 at 12:48 am # nickb (1,972) Says:
    April 15th, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    Penny is nothing but a troll, both metaphorically and (looking from the photo of her posted on here) literally.”

    Another empty little burp from yet another toothless little goldfish?

    Is THAT the best you can do?

    Childish, pathetic little boyz – you wouldn’t last ten minutes in an engineering workshop.

    yawn…………………………….

    Oh – perhaps you’ll prefer these photos? :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzccHIB3paQ

    Oh yes – you’ll just LOVE these! :)

    Penny Bright
    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

    PS: Thank you though for confirming that I’m absolutely on target!
    Sweet dreams :)

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