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‘Public Watchdog’ vs toothless and (wilfully) blind ‘goldfish’ on Kiwiblog – (continued)

The next thrilling installment……………
Discussion /debate (I use the terms loosely :), includes the need for a  ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Judges, ”The Bangalore Principles of Judicial Conduct’, latest developments with Vince Siemer’s defamation hearing – where he was debarred from defending himself, and Judge Cooper effectively manufactured evidence in his ruling,  in order to support the claim that Vince Siemer was racist against Jewish people ………….
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  1. bhudson (1,083) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 7:14 pm Who’s that trip trapping on penny’s bridge?
  2. Rich Prick (735) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 7:15 pm No, you just have to have the last word(s) – lots of them. Was the polling booth where you got all 124 of your votes next to a psychiatric facility per chance. Actually, don’t answer that, you have provided sufficient evidence.
  3. Rich Prick (735) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 7:18 pm “As a ‘judicially recognised Public Watchdog’ – BE WARNED.

    (Politically speaking ) – I growl before I bite – but when I bite – I’ll rip your throat out.”

    Oh dear. What do you propose to do to me as a “judically recognised [nutcase]“? You really are mental.

  4. Pauleastbay (757) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 7:21 pm Rich prick, I am giving myself an upper cut for starting with an attention whore, but it wasn’t a bad thread till it got jacked.

    Fucking annoying

  5. Rich Prick (735) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 7:29 pm Paul, as a thread that started as being about a deluded bunch of Labour MP’s and a Leader claiming his position as “strengthend”, the participation of a totally deluded moonbat has rounded it all off quite fittingly really.
  6. big bruv (8,861) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 7:40 pm Who is madder?

    Bright, Phool, or D4J?

    It would be a bloody close run thing I can tell you.

  7. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 8:00 pm So – ‘Rich Prick’ – you haven’t denied that you’re Cameron Slater?

    You SO have Cameron Slater’s ad hominum style.

    Come on – grow some balls to go with your ‘Rich Prick’ nom de plume, and put your name to your posts.

    Like I do.

    Nah – too gutless?

    Yep – thought so.

    Well, being nibbled by all you toothless goldfish has all been such fun – but think it’s time for a bit more serious stuff.

    (Which I know most of you seem to have difficulty with when the FACTS and EVIDENCE don’t support your world outlook, or your not-so-considered opinions? ;)

    Have done some more research on a ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ MPs.

    Back soon on ‘Public Debate’?

    I know my TG KB (Toothless Goldfish KiwiBlog) fan club will be be constantly checking to see my next thought-provoking post…

    You just can’t help yourselves – you whine about my posts but can’t help reading them and commenting?

    WHERE ON EARTH IS YOUR DISCIPLINE AND SELF-CONTROL??

    (All good David? More posts – more traffic? WIN/WIN? At least an attempt at more intelligent and informed debate? :)

    Thanks again for practising what you preach regarding ‘freedom of expression’ (unlike Cameron Slater /’Rich Prick’? )

    Cheers!

    Penny Bright
    Media Spokesperson
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  8. lofty (791) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 8:18 pm Penny I ask again please supply answers, particularly around the membership of your group, and their political affiliations, also your funding please.
    Thanks

    Penny who did appoint you “public watchdog” ?

    If you want to be my representative without asking me Penny, I need to know a bit about you 1st, before I give you permission to act on my behalf, so I respectfully ask the following, to allow me to form an opinion on giving you licence to speak on my behalf, me being a member of the public and all.

    You see Penny, if I don’t like your answers and I suspect that this will be the case, you will not get my permission to speak for me, and I will then reserve the right to pull you up each and every time I see you attempt to do so.

    Who are the members of the Water Pressure Group, please.

    What are their (and your) political affiliations?

    Where can I find the reference to you becoming a Judicially recognised ‘Public Watchdog’ on Metrowater and Auckland regional governance matters.

    I don’t live in Auckland so are you willing to travel to represent me?

    How much does your unsolicited representation cost me?

    Who funds you & your group?

    Who are you answerable to?

    I have many more but I think this will give me the info I require to make a decision.
    Thanks

  9. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 8:53 pm You must have missed this post ‘Lofty’.

    # publicwatchdog (80) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    # Murray (7,186) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    “Actually, Murray, 4 District Court Judges acknowledged my Public Watchdog role on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters, in 4 of the 21 cases that I won, against Auckland City Council and the Police.”

    Being a pathlogical whinger doesn’t make you my representative.”

    In case you missed it we’ve been mocking you without mercy and you have as much credibility here as a labour party press release.

    You should go now.”

    Really Murray?

    Actually thought that this was David Farrar’s blog – not yours?

    I would have thought that to a fair-minded person , my winning in Court 21- 1, when i defended myself, and have never been to University – let alone had a days formal legal training, wasn’t a bad track record.

    I know for a fact – because they’ve told me – a number of lawyers, including some prominent QC’s have been rather impressed with my track record.

    For the record – because you have yet to grasp the point – I am not claiming to represent anyone, when I call myself a ‘Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters’ – because that is a FACT.

    Sorry that you have such obvious difficulty coping with this………

    This ‘pathlogical whinger’ also played a key role in helping to stop the rort of Metrowater ‘Charitable payments’.
    (Ask Mathew Hooten or John Banks – who at least have the common decency to give credit where it is due? :)

    You might care to try it sometime for the novelty factor?

    ‘Giving credit where it is due’?

    Penny Bright
    Media Spokesperson
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com
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    An ‘acknowledged’ position, as it were, is NOT an elected or appointed position.

    So – suggest you get down off your ‘high horse’ , Lofty, and pay a bit more attention to the debate – and you will see that a number of your questions have already been answered.

    Re: funding?

    I am ‘self-funded.

    I own my home – it’s freehold – so with flatmate income, so on less than $10,000 per year, I am arguably an extremely ‘cost-effective’ (judicially-recognised) ‘Public Watchdog.

    If you would like further confirmation – I suggest you ask both the Minister and Associate Minister of Local Government.
    Both have publicly acknowledged my ‘diligent’ ‘Public Watchdog’ role.

    If you really want to find out more about the sort of (unpaid) work that I do – I suggest you do a bit of research (like I do).

    Check out my blog: https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

    http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
    http://www.stopthesupercity.org.nz
    http://www.stopprivatisation.org.nz

    BTW – who re you ‘Lofty’ and what do you do, what have you done that has helped the public majority?

    Anything?
    Ever?

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright
    Media Spokesperson
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  10. salt (46) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 8:55 pm Ohh dear she’s posting this entire thread on her blog… I presume to infer that she is “stimulating debate”? I know you’re a nutter, Penny, but that is pretty sad.
  11. bhudson (1,083) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 8:57 pm “I am ‘self-funded.

    I own my home – it’s freehold – so with flatmate income, so on less than $10,000 per year, I am arguably an extremely
    ‘cost-effective’ (judicially-recognised) ‘Public Watchdog.”

    So, Penny, for clarity – you are stating that you do not receive any state-funded benefit then?

  12. Rex Widerstrom (4,185) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 9:08 pm Christ almighty what a trainwreck.

    I could make a crack about the inattention of the fat controller, but it’d defintely be a case of pot / kettle :-D

    I found philu bearable, d4j tolerable and Red almost enjoyable (when he laid off the ad homs) but this is ridiculous.

    There is any number of people doing commendable unpaid community-minded work in uncovering stuff, and we need them because – even if some of it is moonbattery – they’re the ones that unearth the facts when the MSM is off searching for the scoop on the emergence of Justin Bieber’s first public hair.

    The difference is, they work quietly and with humility and refer to their own works only when necessary to establish the depth of their knowledge on the specific, related topic.

    This flame war, however, started with an off-topic threadjack:

    asset sales, particularly of electricity assets, is a vote LOSER for this John Key-led National Government

    and went downhill from there. At least the other commenters complained of generally shoe-horned their prejudices into something resembling a comment on the actual post above them.

    Blowing one’s own trumpet too loudly and too long only induces tinnitus amongst those in the vicinity.

  13. Put it away (1,598) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 9:09 pm Penny “judicially acknowledged” not-too-Bright seems to be Auckland’s equivalent of the Political Nutbar who was obsessed with Wellington’s bus corridor. Whatever happened to him, anyway?
  14. salt (46) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 9:18 pm @ Put it away: I believe he’s keeping busy by annoying ministerial private secretaries everywhere.

    I also recently saw him sitting watching the pedestrian crossing at the corner of Cable Street and Jervois(?) Quay, in a sort of furtive manner – so I wouldn’t be surprised if his next public complaint relates to the big dune the council have put there, blocking the view of oncoming traffic for anyone risking it and crossing against the lights.

  15. Put it away (1,598) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 9:20 pm I should probably add that I’m a driver-acknowledged attendee of the number 13 bus, so I feel confident that my authority on public transport will be obvious to you all.
  16. lofty (791) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 9:25 pm Thank you Penny, you have indeed answered some of my questions.
    But you have yet to tell me who are the members of your group, please.
    As to who I am and what I have done, it is none of your business, I do not put myself up as a “public watchdog” and therefore am not answeable to anyone here, I merely voice my opinion or make comments as I see fit.
    You on the other hand have elevated yourself to a deluded position of public accountabilty, so please do tell me who are the members of your group, and their political affiliations please.
    Thanks
  17. Put it away (1,598) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 9:25 pm Ah thanks salt. I was starting to assume he’d been hauled off for assessment after the sledgehammer incident and been quietly put away somewhere
  18. lofty (791) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 9:34 pm Penny please forgive me, but I must ask, do you receive any government funded benefits please?

    I really would like to know all about your group and it’s members please.

    I know that you respond to politeness, and so I am trying to appeal to you in the appropriate manner.
    You are the one who has elevated yourself, and are the one who should answer these basic questions.

    Thanks

  19. Put it away (1,598) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 10:17 pm I just noticed the poll on here about who should be labour leader…

    * Phil Goff
    * David Cunliffe
    * David Parker
    * Shane Jones
    * Trevor Mallard
    * Maryan Street
    * Grant Robertson

    Jesus what a depressing bunch of prospects. I honestly couldn’t pick one.

  20. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 10:21 pm No ‘Lofty’ – I receive NO Government- funded benefits.
    Those who are members of the Water Pressure Group, have a lawful right to privacy.

    Rex – I reserve the right to defend myself, and did think that you for one would have been able to clearly grasp where I was coming from? Perhaps not.

    The basis of this ‘thread’ is the article, ‘Nodding in unison’ – Claire Trevett at the NZ Herald reports on the post frontbench press standup in Dunedin.

    My original post was attempting to give my opinion of the reason behind the continuing corporate media ‘beat-up’ of the Darren Hughes Police complaint – which then shifted to the attack on Phil Goff’s leadership of the Labour party.

    This article, in my opinion, is a continuation of this same corporate media ‘beat-up’.

    This John Key-led National Government wants a clear mandate to be able to proceed with the corporate asset sale agenda.

    The Botany by-election, in my considered opinion, as someone who was a candidate, appears to prove that the asset sale /’partial privatisation’ proposal is NOT popular with the voting public.

    So – it appears to be painfully obvious, to me anyway, that ‘Plan B’ is to try and politically undermine the main political opposition with stated policy of opposing asset sales, and to attempt to get them bogged down in ‘in-fighting’, in order to help discredit them.

    The FACTS are, that back in 2008, exactly the same tactic was used to discredit Winston Peters and NZ First, in order to ensure that they wouldn’t get make the 5% party vote threshold – a sustained corporate media ‘beat up’ campaign.

    How then was my original post ‘off-thread’?

    It was absolutely ‘on-thread’ – unless you didn’t agree with what I was saying – which is a completely different proposition.

    Anyway – I’m sure if David thought it was ‘off-thread’ – he would have been the first to tell me – given that it is HIS blog – is it not?

    FYI – my Number One Rule in life is : TAKE NO SHIT.

    Dish it out – I’ll dish it back – but usually with FACTS and EVIDENCE to support what I’m saying.

    Unfortunately, there appear to be a number (majority?) of gutless ‘Anonymous’ poster boys and girls on Kiwiblog, who think a good argument just consists of venomous, abusive ad hominum attacks – so they may not be used to informed and considered debate – but it doesn’t stop me from doing my best to ‘lift the bar’.

    Trying to debate the issues with most of you appears to be the goldfish bowl equivalent of being savaged by dead sheep.

    However, with my surname ‘Bright’, I seem to be hard-wired to be eternally optimistic in my outlook.

    I live in hope.

    Penny Bright
    (Who at least has the guts to put my name to my posts – unlike the vast majority of you.)
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  21. Chris R(1) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 10:25 pm I had not encountered this weirdo Penny Bright before, please remove her before her lack of grammar begins to cause me offence. I suggest her arithmetical abilities are also wanting. Go away Penny!
  22. bhudson (1,083) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 10:31 pm Salt / PIA,

    Most recently I think he has been spending his time doing political chalk ‘art’ on the footpath on Victoria St (about 50m up from where he took to the road with a sledgehammer.)

    I wouldn’t be to surprised if he is doing this to be able to claim an occupation as artist and therefore keep the benefit rolling in. From what I have seen of it, the ‘art’ is about as effective as the sledgehammer work.

  23. thedavincimode (1,466) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 10:46 pm Looks like about 7.00pm is when the top comes off the sherry bottle and the predictably thin veneer evaporates to reveal the full horror of that barren landscape where the seed of intelligence can find no purchase.
  24. georgebolwing (274) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 10:47 pm DPF: for the love a Christ, do something about Penns. At least limit her posts to less than 50 lines.

    georgebolwing
    Attendee: Rapid Creek Primary School
    Attendee: Dale Henderson’s house in Brisbane after school because he had a pool
    Attendee: A Split Enz concert in 1979 when the sound system went off and Tim Finn did an acoustic version of Charlie.

  25. Rich Prick (735) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 10:48 pm Penny, you are insane. I would never tell you who I am, I just don’t need the boiling bunny thing. Let alone a stalker. Have a wee lie down and compose yourself.

    Oh, and those judges are well known to me. They were, ummm, how shall I say this, being “charitable” in their description of you. Lets leave it at that.

  26. Rich Prick (735) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 10:59 pm Attendee: At my grandmother’s funeral
    Attendee: At New World when the good wine is on sale
    Attendee: At the slaughter of gay whales drinking un-metered water-fest
    Attendee: At DPF’s blog
    Attendee: Penny’s commitment under the Mental Health Act
  27. Put it away (1,598) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 11:04 pm Damn right, Rich Prick. This is assymetric warfare… the sane vs the insane, playing by totally different rules. The insane can feel free to use their names because they can expect a level of reasonableness and restraint from the sane. We are not going to stalk you or harrass you i real life because of your opinions on a blog. Debate is debate, life is life. Your giving your name is basically an acknowledgement that you realise we are not loons. Thanks for the complement, but we regret that we’re unable to return it…
  28. Rich Prick (735) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 11:07 pm Put it Away, I found that out the hard way when my name and address was accidentally made available to wack-jobs on the left. It was awful, but it is history so far as I am concerned. But yeah, would you want Penny knowing where you live?? Serriously, that’s one fucked up beaver.
  29. RightNow (2,477) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 11:27 pm Penny, addressing your more coherent argument: “My original post was attempting to give my opinion of the reason behind the continuing corporate media ‘beat-up’ of the Darren Hughes Police complaint – which then shifted to the attack on Phil Goff’s leadership of the Labour party.

    This article, in my opinion, is a continuation of this same corporate media ‘beat-up’.”

    So you’re cheer-leading for Goff, and you think the media is running an attack on National/corporate’s behalf.
    A more un-blinkered view in my opinion is that the media loves a grubby affair like this because they’re attention seekers (you surely can relate to that). Nothing is more fatal to the media than being ignored you know.
    And you may be surprised to know that a good number of us here much prefer a strong opposition party to the shambles that is Labour now. I think only staunch party faithful, ideologues and state-dependents would deny that this is a low point for the party.
    Which brings me to ask – why haven’t you had a tilt for Labour yet? Don’t tell me they rejected your overtures?

  30. Rich Prick (735) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 11:28 pm Many years ago, as a Judge’s clerk (the ones who actually mostly write the decisions by the way) I had to re-interpret a Judge’s description of a friend of the court from that “fucking annoying cunt” to “Mr XXX who cares about [things]“, I thought FAC would have been a far better descriptor.
  31. Rich Prick (735) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 11:36 pm Right Now, one has to be sane to be Labour, or I would have thought so untill this week, even Judith wants to put off joining that lot. And she is fucking bonkers. Go figure?
  32. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 11:42 pm “# thedavincimode (1,428) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 10:46 pm

    Looks like about 7.00pm is when the top comes off the sherry bottle and the predictably thin veneer evaporates to reveal the full horror of that barren landscape where the seed of intelligence can find no purchase.”

    The sherry doesn’t appear to have affected you too badly ‘thedavincimode’ – so I wouldn’t be so hard on yourself. :)

    (Not a drinker myself :) .

    Unfortunately, don’t think I can say the same for ‘Rich Prick’ /Cameron Slater? and ‘Put it away’?

    Think they were already missing the ‘ thin veneer’ ?

    Just LOVE the pathetic attempts to justify the gutless anonymity…………….. :)

    Interesting that you find my considered opinion SO scary!

    Must be right over the target to cop all this flak!

    Good on you – you have SO made my day :)

    Penny Bright
    (Who at least has the guts to put my name to my posts – unlike the vast majority of you.)
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  33. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 11:54 pm RightNow – if you bothered to do a little homework, you would know from my proven track record, that I am politically independent, and have crossed swords with Labour (and City Vision) in the past over a number of issues.

    I actively opposed the corporate media ‘beat up’ of Winston Peters and NZ First before the 2008 election, and I’m opposing the corporate media beat-up of Phil Goff, for essentially the same reason.

    I don’t agree that New Zealanders should get the government that the majority of big business want us to have through corporate media manipulation, as it happening right now, in my opinion.

    Penny Bright
    (Who at least has the guts to put my name to my posts – unlike the vast majority of you.)
    Water Pressure Group
    Judicially recognised Public Watchdog on Metrowater, water and Auckland regional governance matters.
    “Anti-corruption campaigner”.

    Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
    Attendee: Transparency International’s 14th Anti-Corruption Conference 2010
    Auckland Mayoral Candidate 2010.

    Independent Candidate Botany by-election 2011.

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  34. Rich Prick (735) Says:
    March 30th, 2011 at 11:55 pm Lights out sweet-heart. ECT in the morning. The Clyde electricity scheme willing.
  35. reid (6,642) Says:
    March 31st, 2011 at 12:19 am I actively opposed the corporate media ‘beat up’ of Winston Peters and NZ First before the 2008 election, and I’m opposing the corporate media beat-up of Phil Goff, for essentially the same reason.

    Penny, if you think Goff is suffering a “corporate media beat-up” at the mo or that Winston did when he did what he did, then what about simple common decency don’t you understand?

    Your positions I’ve noted are not balanced, they’re biased. You’re a lefty shrill, based on all your comments I’ve read. (I try not to, BTW)

    And Reid is my real first name, and if anyone really wants to identify me, I’ve left enough clues over the years about where I live and what I do to make it easy for someone interested to track me down, if they want to. I just don’t have a point to prove, like you, in that I don’t seek public office or to be a public activist. That’s the only reason why I don’t care to give you my full bio, but don’t imagine the fact you do, makes you more “gutsy” than I although from my dim recall of your occasional photos in the press, you certainly are a lot fatter.

  36. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    March 31st, 2011 at 12:30 am Ok Cameron :)

    I’ll try and find some piranha dentures for all you toothless goldfish – so that future ‘debate’ can be a bit more challenging? :)

    (Nothing personal – but all this constant projection about ‘madness’ is interesting………… sad – but interesting…..)

    I’m sure if you try really hard Cameron – you’ll get the hang of debating the issues.

    Try focusing – you’ll get there…. :)

    it’s been fun!

    More tomorrow (eek! today)

    Penny

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  37. Lee C (3,860) Says:
    March 31st, 2011 at 6:04 am Well done you, Penny! You have sucessfully derailed the majority of pertinent discussion about the actual post, and managed to re-focus it onto what you wanted to discuss, (in particular how important you feel you are) while simultaneously drawing the gullible into a protracted ‘flame-war’ about whether you are to be taken seriously.

    There are always going to be suckers who evidently haven’t mastered the art of ‘scrolling’ past irellevant material, and as long as these people exist there will always be a natural place of residence for your unique style of ‘debate’ here on KB.

    Keep up the good wrk.

  38. Inventory2 (6,029) Says:
    March 31st, 2011 at 7:07 am @ Lee; it’s not “well done”; Penny Bright is a troll, who has grossly abused DPF’s hospitality. What is even more worrying though is that she has 124 supporters!
  39. slightlyrighty (1,768) Says:
    March 31st, 2011 at 7:39 am So Penny, let me summarise.

    You call yourself a public watchdog. Yet as I see it, the central tenet of your arguement is that you oppose the way the media is reporting on certain issues, particularly the (as you put it) corporate media ‘beat up’ of Winston Peters and NZ First before the 2008 election” and “the corporate media beat-up of Phil Goff”

    Are you saying that the media should not report on those issues, or do you have an issue with the way these issues were reported.

    What the media has done in these cases, has highlighted the hypocrisy of the dual positions taken by both these gentlemen. Goff, to his credit, has recognised that the positions he took on the Richard Worth issue and the Darren Hughes issue are incompatible and has made statements to that effect, but the damage has been done. The fact is by not acting in accordance with his statements re Worth, he has painted himself into a corner.

    Are you saying the media is wrong to point this out?

    Peters railed against big money in politics, whhile accepting it himself. He was shown to be lying about the issue, not just to the public, via the Mainstream Media, but to the PM’s face.

    Are you saying the media was wrong to point that out, given Winston’s propensity to use tha media for his own ends?

    Next you’ll be saying Phillip Feild was a media beat up as well.

    Personally I am happy that we have a media that will report all the issues. Those on the far right claim that we have a left wing biased media, those on the far left claim we have a Right wing biased media.

    As to the thread, we don’t need a press report to indicate the “Nodding in Unison” is an exercise in maintining the appearance of unity in the face of no other viable alternative.

  40. Manolo (3,755) Says:
    March 31st, 2011 at 7:40 am 124 supporters, did you say?
    Final proof we’re never short of nutters, idlers, morons and imbeciles in our country.
  41. thedavincimode (1,466) Says:
    March 31st, 2011 at 7:54 am Manolo

    If a phot of wacko Jacko’s pet chimp stood as a candidate for an election it would get about a hundred votes.

    This is funny too:

    “My original post was attempting to give my opinion of the reason behind the continuing corporate media ‘beat-up’ of the Darren Hughes Police complaint – which then shifted to the attack on Phil Goff’s leadership of the Labour party.”

    Then the attempt to create her own beat-up:

    “does anyone definitely know (with FACTS and EVIDENCE to back it up), who took to the media, the Police complaint about Darren Hughes?

    Was it the complainant?

    Yes or no?”

  42. RightNow (2,477) Says:
    March 31st, 2011 at 1:15 pm Penny Oxymoron: “RightNow – if you bothered to do a little homework, you would know from my proven track record, that I am politically independent, and have crossed swords with Labour (and City Vision) in the past over a number of issues.”

    Why would I bother to do any homework about you Penny? Your posts are funny, in that same way Ricky Gervais was funny in The Office. You’re clearly a Labour stalwart though, even with your feigned independence.

    “I actively opposed the corporate media ‘beat up’ of Winston Peters and NZ First before the 2008 election…I’m opposing the corporate media beat-up of Phil Goff, for essentially the same reason.”

    You keep alleging a ‘corporate media beat-up’. Why shouldn’t the media report the scurrilous behaviour of MP’s?
    Why do you want them to cover up for Winston and Goff? Have you been consistent? Did you oppose the ‘beat-up’ of the Richard Worth saga or the Pansy Wong saga?

    And Winston is a thief and a liar in my opinion, so you can keep your moon-bat theory on that.

    BTW – when Cameron Slater posts here he uses the name Whaleoil with a hyperlink to his blog. Your own research is lacking.

  43. magic bullet (295) Says:
    March 31st, 2011 at 1:46 pm “They also laughed. When an apparently ridiculous question about Mr Goff’s support levels was asked, they laughed scornfully as one. When Mr Goff made a joke they again laughed as one, too loud and too long.”

    Meh – sounds like National on any given day in the house.

  44. kiwi in america (1,163) Says:
    March 31st, 2011 at 2:20 pm Im with Rex on this issue – Penny not so Bright vs d4j, philu and Redbaiter. Slightly righty you are feeding the troll.

    With respect to the topic, so long threadjacked by she who lost her deposit in the Botany by election, the old saying “Me thinks he doth protest too much” comes to mind. Labour’s front bench, mindful of the spectacular own goal scored by its Leader but being unwilling (actually more like unable) to find a viable candidate who can get enough numbers to roll Goff, has decided to grit their teeth and love Goff in unison. The Herald article shows that the Press Gallery aren’t buying the lovefest and this will add fuel to any remote leadership related rumours and pursuit of blood in the water as any small mistake by Goff will be reported through the prism of the narrowly averted leadership coup. Narrowly averted leadership coups have a nasty habit of metasticizing into the real deal in the ensuing months.

  45. David Garrett (124) Says:
    March 31st, 2011 at 2:40 pm I take back my suggestion that the barking one be banned! some of the responses to her have been leg wettingly funny…

    my list of “attendee of…” would inevitably pale by comparison….

    “ECT n the morning, Clyde Dam willing”…classic! Even to a chap like myself, who has had “mental health ‘issues’ ”

    And whoever said a variation of “use the scroll down wheel” for the comments of Penny herself is right of course…

  46. RightNow (2,477) Says:
    March 31st, 2011 at 2:47 pm In my youth I was a judicially recognised ‘stunt driver’ but rather than harp on about it I just paid the fine.
  47. Lee C (3,860) Says:
    March 31st, 2011 at 2:55 pm Inventory – ’125′ now I’ve joined the happy throng . . .
  48. Rex Widerstrom (4,185) Says:
    March 31st, 2011 at 5:38 pm thedavincimode:

    when the top comes off the sherry bottle and the predictably thin veneer evaporates to reveal the full horror of that barren landscape where the seed of intelligence can find no purchase

    Why that’s almost… Byronic! So I have to ask… who’d you steal it from? ;-)

    Rich Prick:

    I had to re-interpret a Judge’s description of a friend of the court from that “fucking annoying cunt” to “Mr XXX who cares about [things]“

    I’ve encountered a few nutbars whom I’m sure the sanguine and courteous judge refers to as a FAC as soon as the door closes on the courtroom. Alas I’ve never quite seen the veneer crack whilst the court is sitting, though there’ve been a few references in decisions that can’t fail to be understood by those who knew the parties.

    Like the Supreme Court Justice who felt the need to go on at some length about how unfailingly reasonable the Registry had been when faced by one particular loon. Oh yes, how this fellow had annoyed and enraged the Registry with his constantly shifting causes and his amended filings. His Honour, of course, was entirely impassive… ;-)

  49. Atheist1 (164) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 10:08 am This thread has absolutely cracked this leftie up. Rich Prick’s comments have been priceless! Mort de rire……!!

    What a nutbar that public watchdog clearly is, I’m going to do a Briefcase search now and read some of the cases she’s been involved in. I always appreciate the irony and sarcasm of a Judge’s words (or his/her clerk’s!) when they can barely tolerate a party but can’t come out and say it.

  50. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 2:44 pm Myself – I would have thought that the ruling of a Judge would have been slightly more significant than ‘off-the-record’ ad hominum comments about parties that have appeared before her or him?

    I for one, am unclear as to how exactly such ad hominum comments from Judges comply with the underpinning principles which arguably should guide their conduct?

    Of course, NZ Judges, just like NZ MPs, are not subject to enforceable ‘Codes of Conduct’. Therein lies the problem?

    As it appears that neither they, nor some of you folk, appear to have a blinding clue about the qualities that Judges SHOULD have in order to help maintain public confidence in the Judiciary – you may care to consider the following:

    “The Bangalore Principles for Judicial Conduct” – drawn up internationally, by Judges – for Judges.

    (By some of arguably the world’s most capable legal minds, from the highest levels of the international ‘judiciary’.)

    “Value 1:
    INDEPENDENCE

    Principle: Judicial independence is a pre-requisite to the rule of law and a fundamental guarantee of a fair trial.
    A judge shall therefore uphold and exemplify judicial independence in both its individual and institutional aspects.

    Value 2:
    IMPARTIALITY

    Principle: Impartiality is essential to the proper discharge of the judicial office. It applies not only to the decision itself but
    also to the process by which the decision is made.

    Value 3:
    INTEGRITY

    Principle: Integrity is essential to the proper discharge of the judicial office.

    Value 4:
    PROPRIETY

    Principle: Propriety, and the appearance of propriety, are essential to the performance of all of the activities of a judge.

    Value 5:
    EQUALITY

    Principle: Ensuring equality of treatment to all before the courts is essential to the due performance of the judicial office.

    Value 6:
    COMPETENCE AND DILIGENCE

    Principle: Competence and diligence are prerequisites to the due performance of judicial office. ”

    If you would like to read the full version of ‘The Bangalore Principles of Judicial Conduct’ – I have posted them on my blog – FYI.

    Never heard of the ‘The Bangalore Principles of Judicial Conduct’?

    No – neither had I, until I attended a ‘legal’ workshop at the 14th Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference last year.

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  51. thedavincimode (1,466) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 2:54 pm Mrs Dim

    Atheist1 is referring to a database research tool to find the reported case. There are no “off the record comments”. There are only “on the record comments”. Atheist1 isn’t rustling thru someone’s “briefcase”. LOL.

    … tdvm …
    Lunatic Watchdog
    ‘Anti-idiot campaigner’

  52. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 3:08 pm What’s ‘idiotic’ about the “The Bangalore Principles for Judicial Conduct” – drawn up internationally, by Judges – for Judges?

    No ‘considered’ opinion on this arguably more substantive issue ‘thedavincimode ‘?

    Not yet?

    I understand that this might require some intellect and research – so I guess I shouldn’t ‘hold my breath’.

    (Meant of course, in a caring, ‘be nice to toothless goldfish’ way :)

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  53. thedavincimode (1,466) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 3:36 pm I’ll play your game. What is idiotic about those judicial conduct principles you keep harping on about?

    … tdvm …
    Lunatic Watchdog
    ‘Anti-idiot campaigner’

  54. Nookin (534) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 3:59 pm Talking about intellect and research, I am have troubling googling a link between a bunch of nodding political sycophants and the Bangalore Principles of Judicial Conduct. Or have I lost the thread somewhere along the way?
  55. alex Masterley (581) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 4:16 pm I’m pretty sure that all of the judicary in New Zealand and those who hold quasi-judicial roles are aware of the BPJC and the obligations that are imposed on them as a matter of practice, by their oaths of office and by convention.
    Strange as though it may seem the judges that I know take their roles pretty seriously.
  56. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 4:19 pm Oh – I see ‘anonymous’GUTLESS Noonkin’ – others are allowed to go ‘off-thread’ and personally attack me, and raise other issues – but I am not allowed to defend myself, or reply to the ‘off-thread’ issues others are raising?

    WRONG WOMAN.

    ‘What is idiotic about those judicial conduct principles you keep harping on about?’

    If you bothered to read and consider the ‘Bangalore Principles of Judicial Conduct’ , ‘thedavincimode’ – you would probably find that there is nothing ‘idiotic’ – in fact they are a ‘best practice’ example that could, and arguably should be followed here in NZ.

    Do you support an enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Judges – yes or no?

    Can you cope with a simple ‘yes’/ ‘no’ answer?

    I live in hope.

    (yawn….. but given my experience of your track record to date – not holding my breath at this point…………….)

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  57. thedavincimode (1,466) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 4:24 pm Nookin/Masterly

    Thanks for the help. Its been a lonely rear guard action on the 31 March threads trying to keep the mad woman away from the 1 April threads.

    … tdvm …
    Lunatic Watchdog
    ‘Anti-idiot campaigner’

  58. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 4:26 pm ‘# alex Masterley (580) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    I’m pretty sure that all of the judicary in New Zealand and those who hold quasi-judicial roles are aware of the BPJC and the obligations that are imposed on them as a matter of practice, by their oaths of office and by convention.
    ‘Strange as though it may seem the judges that I know take their roles pretty seriously.’

    Assume nothing – check everything is my motto, Alex.

    I intend to do an OIA to find out from the Ministry of Justice what info they hold on the ‘Bangalore Principles of Judicial Conduct’, and whether our NZ Government (at any stage) or our NZ judiciary have:

    a) Heard of the ‘Bangalore Principles of Judicial Conduct’.
    b) Considered using the ‘Bangalore Principles of Judicial Conduct’, as a ‘best practice’ model for adoption by our NZ judiciary.

    I’ll let you know how I get on.

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  59. RRM (3,317) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 4:30 pm Oh Jesus.

    The tension here is palpable as the Watchdog moves closer to a century on debut….

    RRM
    Resident leftie troll
    Attendee: Kiwiblog 1/04/2011
    Self-aggrandiser first class
    Attention seeker

  60. Fisiani (387) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 4:31 pm What’s ‘idiotic’ about the “The Bangalore Principles for Judicial Conduct” – drawn up internationally, by Judges – for Judges?

    This is thread about Nodding in unison hijacked by a zealot with what appears to be either bipolar or schizoid tendancies

  61. thedavincimode (1,466) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 4:31 pm “I’ll let you know how I get on.

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  62. bhudson (1,083) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 4:32 pm Penny,

    People like you are a primary driver for the central govt bureaucracy being the size it is.

  63. alex Masterley (581) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 4:35 pm TDM no problem.

    Pleased to help.

    BTW Penny how successful with your private prosecution of the Prime Minister? Chucked out as i recall. Assumption…..

    Crickey, it’s 4.30. Time to down tools and have a well deserved beer.

  64. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 4:35 pm ‘thedavincimode (1,450) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    Nookin/Masterly

    Thanks for the help. Its been a lonely rear guard action on the 31 March threads trying to keep the mad woman away from the 1 April threads.’

    Can’t ‘fight your own battles’ ‘thedavincimode ?

    I can.

    ‘Toothless goldfish’ needs back up?
    How pathetic is that?

    Can’t cope with intelligent debate?

    Sorry – that’s your problem – not mine.

    errr…. ‘mad’?

    More ‘projection happening here ‘thedavincimode ?

    I prefer ‘persistent’ and ‘determined’ – ‘takes no shit’ (sort of thing :)

    You still haven’t answered my question about an enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Judges.

    (Did I mention ‘persistent’ and ‘determined’ ? :)

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  65. reid (6,642) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 4:37 pm What’s ‘idiotic’ about the “The Bangalore Principles for Judicial Conduct” – drawn up internationally, by Judges – for Judges?

    Er…

    Why didn’t they pick something a bit more classy, like The Paris Principles for Judicial Conduct?

    That was pretty stupid idiotic of them, wasn’t it. Bangalore. Crikey. How was the accommodation guys?

  66. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 4:52 pm ‘What’s ‘idiotic’ about the “The Bangalore Principles for Judicial Conduct” – drawn up internationally, by Judges – for Judges?

    Er…

    Why didn’t they pick something a bit more classy, like The Paris Principles for Judicial Conduct?

    That was pretty stupid idiotic of them, wasn’t it. Bangalore. Crikey. How was the accommodation guys?’

    Oh, very profound ‘Reid’.

    The geography of where the “The Bangalore Principles for Judicial Conduct” – were drawn up internationally, by Judges – for Judges, is more important than the wording of the document?

    Is this truly the best the ‘Toothless Goldfish’ can do?

    How sad is that?

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  67. thedavincimode (1,466) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 4:54 pm “Can’t cope with intelligent debate?”

    Where, did I miss something you said?

    … tdvm …
    Lunatic Watchdog
    ‘Anti-idiot campaigner’
    Toothless Goldfish & Bar

  68. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 5:01 pm “Can’t cope with intelligent debate?”

    Where, did I miss something you said?’

    Seems you missed most, if not all of what I have said.

    ‘thedavincimode ‘ not only a toothless goldfish – but (wilfully?) blind as well?

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  69. reid (6,642) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 5:04 pm Crikey Penny your 4:52 missed one of my main points of humour by omitting from your quotation my strikeouts.

    How dare you, er.. sir?

    I challenge you to pistols at dawn.

    Not just cause of that but cause you’re an idiot and I figure lots of other people here may not be very displeased at all were you not to appear here very much after tomorrow morning.

    Lest you call out the Armed Offenders squad, I am kidding.

  70. Nookin (534) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 5:20 pm Penny
    The fact that I use a nomme du plume is is about as much proof that I am gutless as the use of your real name is proof that you are not behaving like a dingbat. You are off-thread. You are the one who broke the rules and you ignored the protestations. If you want to debate a code of judicial conduct then do it on GD, Frogblog or your own blog.
    FWIW, NZ has legislation designed to preserve judicial impartiality and integrity. We have few incidents involving transgressions and when it happens there is little tolerance. Like Alex, the judges I know take their jobs very seriously.

    You complain about the lack of intelligent debate. Since when does intelligent debate start “anonymous’GUTLESS Noonkin’ ”
    Most of the intelligent debaters I know address the proble not the people. If you want some traction go back to some basic blogging rules.

  71. thedavincimode (1,466) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 5:31 pm “Seems you missed most, if not all of what I have said”

    Sorry, hadn’t realised you were writing in code.

    BTW, what are you doing here? I thought that you were off to rustle through some judge’s briefcase?

    … tdvm …
    Lunatic Watchdog
    ‘Anti-idiot campaigner’
    Toothless Goldfish & Bar
    Attendee: Intergalactic Conference for the Wilfully Blind Blog Thread Contributors, 2012

  72. reid (6,642) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 5:41 pm ‘Anti-idiot campaigner’

    I’m an Anti-idiot campaigner as well, tdvm.

    My mum says “I’m special.”

  73. thedavincimode (1,466) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 5:45 pm That’s good because there is plenty of work to do on this thread.

    Penny’s mum said the same about her. Not quite sure what she meant.

    Attendee: Intergalactic Conference for the Wilfully Blind Blog Thread Contributors, 2012

  74. thedavincimode (1,466) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 5:49 pm oops, forgot

    … tdvm …
    Lunatic Watchdog
    ‘Anti-idiot campaigner’
    Toothless Goldfish & Bar
    Attendee: Lunar Watching the Watchdogs Conference 2046
    Attendee: Intergalactic Conference for the Wilfully Blind Blog Thread Contributors, 2012

  75. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 6:01 pm # Rex Widerstrom (4,172) Says:
    March 31st, 2011 at 5:38 pm

    thedavincimode:

    when the top comes off the sherry bottle and the predictably thin veneer evaporates to reveal the full horror of that barren landscape where the seed of intelligence can find no purchase

    Why that’s almost… Byronic! So I have to ask… who’d you steal it from? ;-)

    Rich Prick:

    Rex stated: ” I had to re-interpret a Judge’s description of a friend of the court from that “fucking annoying cunt” to “Mr XXX who cares about [things]“

    I’ve encountered a few nutbars whom I’m sure the sanguine and courteous judge refers to as a FAC as soon as the door closes on the courtroom. Alas I’ve never quite seen the veneer crack whilst the court is sitting, though there’ve been a few references in decisions that can’t fail to be understood by those who knew the parties.

    Like the Supreme Court Justice who felt the need to go on at some length about how unfailingly reasonable the Registry had been when faced by one particular loon. Oh yes, how this fellow had annoyed and enraged the Registry with his constantly shifting causes and his amended filings. His Honour, of course, was entirely impassive… ;-)

    My response was to this post.

    How am I off-thread when Rex discusses the conduct of a Judge, then I discuss the conduct of Judges, and attempt to get some intelligent debate on a ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Judges?

    How many of you had even heard of the “The Bangalore Principles for Judicial Conduct” ?

    Think I’ll leave it to David to decide what is off-thread and what is not – on HIS blog.

    As long as he is fair and consistent in his application of his rules – I will have no problem with his decision.

    So far, I believe that he has been.

    ‘The fact that I use a nomme du plume is is about as much proof that I am gutless as the use of your real name is proof that you are not behaving like a dingbat.’

    That is your opinion, to which you are entitled ‘Noonkin’.

    However, my view, to which I am equally entitled, is that those who hide behind anonymous nom-de-plumes, are ‘GUTLESS’.

    On that point, with you, I appear to have struck a nerve?

    ‘Most of the intelligent debaters I know address the proble not the people. If you want some traction go back to some basic blogging rules.’

    In that case Noonkin, according to your definition, most of those ad hominum ‘toothless goldfish’ who comment (on this thread), cannot then be ‘intelligent debaters’.

    Back on to your ‘off-thread’ ? :) comment:

    “FWIW, NZ has legislation designed to preserve judicial impartiality and integrity. We have few incidents involving transgressions and when it happens there is little tolerance. Like Alex, the judges I know take their jobs very seriously. ”

    To which NZ legislation are you specifically referring?

    Are you aware of the current number of complaints that have been made about the behaviour of Judges to the Judicial Conduct Commissioner?

    Sorry – but, in my considered opinion, the FACTS don’t match your considered opinion.
    Especially in the cases involving Vince Siemer – a number of which I have witnessed first-hand in Court, myself.

    http://www.kiwisfirst.co.nz

    PS: What is your view on a ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Judges?

    Yes /no?

    I am genuinely interested.

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  76. Nookin (534) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 6:02 pm It’s gone very quiet. Can we go home now?
  77. thedavincimode (1,466) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 6:06 pm can someone summarise that for me please zzzzzzzzzz

    … tvm etc zzzzzzzz

  78. reid (6,642) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 6:07 pm I am genuinely interested.

    Apparently, the problem for you Penny, is that no-one else is.

  79. Nookin (534) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 6:09 pm My post 6.02. I spoke too soon!

    Vince Siemer? Is he the guy who recognises court orders only if he wins? The guy who says he can pay the $200,000 plus costs ordered against him but chooses not to do so? The guy who advises the court that he has decided to ignore a court order? Or is there another Vince Siemer about whom I should give a shit?

  80. thedavincimode (1,466) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 6:19 pm He’s a nutter that got the pricker with Michael Stiassney (as I recall with a receivership or liquidation Stiassney was doing) sued him and got laughed out of court then set up a wingnut website that defamed Stiassney who sued him successfully for about a mill. Was told to remove the defamatory comments by the court, wouldn’t and got physically removed to the quiet room for contempt. It must have cost the stupid prick a fortune that he likely didn’t have given that he was dealing with Stiassney in the first place. Mrs Dim (predictably) thinks Siemer is wonderful. I’m sure you get the picture given Mrs Dim’s patronage and hero-worshiping of him. It was in all the papers for a while and although very amusing it didn’t attract the same level of interest and amusement as Gaffey’s efforts over the last week or so.
  81. thedavincimode (1,466) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 6:21 pm Nookin

    As far as I’m aware, there are no Vince Siemers about whom you should give a shit.

  82. Nookin (534) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 6:39 pm “can someone summarise that for me please zzzzzzzzzz

    … tvm etc zzzzzzzz”

    Hope this link helps.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQmFMXkhXPY&feature=related

  83. thedavincimode (1,466) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 6:44 pm Got it. It can’t be summarised is what I think that means. Its something to be added as an addendum to the case notes.
  84. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 6:57 pm “Was told to remove the defamatory comments by the court, wouldn’t and got physically removed to the quiet room for contempt. ”

    errr…. WRONG.

    At that time the comments had not yet been PROVEN to be defamatory – because the underpinning defamation case had not yet gone to court.

    You are obviously not big on a fundamental underpinning principle of ‘natural justice’ – the presumption of innocence until PROVEN guilty.

    (Why am I not surprised? :)

    I regard Vince Siemer as one of the most principled and gutsy people I know.

    In my opinion, I regard Vince Siemer as a VERY effective fellow ‘Public Watchdog’ exposing judicial corruption in NZ, especially through his website http://www.kiwisfirst.co.nz.

    My experience, and considered opinion of Michael Stiassny, as the former Chair of the Board of Metrowater, is that he is an arrogant corporate thug and bully.

    However, he resigned as Chair of the Board of Metrowater, four days after I personally served him with a witness subpoeana at his home, to appear in Court.

    The Police later dropped this trespass charge – details here:

    http://tvnz.co.nz/content/999317/425823.xhtml

    (On this programme, it incorrectly states that I receive a benefit – when I do not, The TV journalist concerned was very apologetic to me, about not being factually accurate on that point.)

    You can ‘go home’ any time you like folk!

    (Not quite sure why you are even bothering to comment – if you think the topic is so ‘off-thread’?
    Cmon – admit it – it’s FASCINATING stuff – or why would you bother? :)

    Do you, or do you not agree that a person should be entitled to be present in court in order to put their case?

    Yes or no?

    Vince Siemer was debarred from defending himself, and putting his side of the story.

    That’s ok is it?

    That Judges can exercise ‘judicial discretion’ which is NOT based upon the ‘Rule of Law’?

    Suggest you think carefully about this one!

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  85. Rich Prick (735) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 7:06 pm Penny, go home, your village is missing you.
  86. Nookin (534) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 7:09 pm “That Judges can exercise ‘judicial discretion’ which is NOT based upon the ‘Rule of Law’?”

    Read the decision again Penny. It was based on the rule of law. It’s your mate Vince who has a problem with the concept.

  87. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 7:35 pm I do apologise ‘Rich Prick’ for thinking that you were Cameron Slater.

    My understanding is that Cameron Slater would support more ‘transparency’ and ‘accountability’ in the NZ judiciary.

    Helped to get rid of Michael Stiassny as Chair of Metrowater’s Board of Directors.

    Arguably did better on that front than former Directors of Vector – Goulter, Gibbs and Muir.
    They tried to get Stiassny to resign, and when he wouldn’t – they did.

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/goulter-gibbs-and-muir-resign-vector

    Ask Michael Stiassny if he thinks I’m an ‘idiot’.
    I’m sure he would have a number of names for me – but I very much doubt that ‘idiot’ would be one of them.

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  88. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 7:38 pm # Nookin (529) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    “That Judges can exercise ‘judicial discretion’ which is NOT based upon the ‘Rule of Law’?”

    Read the decision again Penny. It was based on the rule of law. It’s your mate Vince who has a problem with the concept.’

    WHICH law?

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  89. Nookin (534) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 7:57 pm The law against self-serving selective participation
  90. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 8:22 pm Thank you for confirming my point Nookin.

    You can’t name WHICH LAW Vince Siemer has broken because he hasn’t broken any LAW.

    When Judges can ‘just make it up’ – we are in DEEP trouble, as Vince Siemer’s case(s) prove.

    For evidence which proves that not only did Judge Cooper, in this defamation case, effectively have a private hearing from which Vince Siemer was debarred from attending and putting his side, but Judge Cooper effectively fabricated evidence to support the claim that Vince Siemer was ‘racist’ against Jewish people, in order to help justify the highest ever defamation award in NZ’s legal history:

    READ THE EVIDENCE FOR YOURSELF:

    http”//waterpressure.wordpress.com

    ‘NZ Court of Appeal rules against kiwisfirst publisher Vince Siemer, (who was debarred from defending himself in Court), in record $920,000 defamation case. ‘

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  91. Nookin (534) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 8:43 pm Basically Penny, when you are told to take down a web site and refuse you are defying the law. When you compound that contempt by starting another website you are defying the law. When you persistently refuse to pay costs that are ordered to pay you are defying the law. When you are advised to apply for an adjourned but don’t bother then you dont get any sympathy. You dont get to decide which decisions to abide and which decisions you ignore. Otherwise, you get put in the quiet room and do not get to play any more. Read the decision. It makes perfect sense. You dont make any sense. Your mate has had a bad couple of days hasn’t he? Why wont he learn?

    Are you off to a flat earth meeting tonight? Me? I am going to watch the highlanders.

  92. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 9:08 pm That is PRECISELY the point Nookin.

    On what LAWFUL basis was Vince Siemer told to take down his website??

    Vince violated a ‘gagging’ injunction which he argued was not lawfully obtained.

    In this country we are supposed to have ‘freedom of expression’.

    In this country it is not unlawful to tell the truth.

    Vince never got an opportunity to put his ‘defence of truth’ in the long-awaited defamation hearing because he was debarred from appearing and defending himself – then got the highest ever defamation award in NZ’s legal history, in a private, ‘closed’ hearing (during which Judge Cooper effectively fabricated evidence to support the claim that Vince Siemer was ‘racist’ against Jewish people).

    Have a look at Steven Price’s ‘Media Law’ website for an ‘independent’ view on this defamation hearing.

    If Judges can just ‘make up the law’ – then we DON’T have the ‘Rule of Law’ – we have Judge’s law – DANGEROUS stuff.

    Well – it’s been been fun – but time to go.

    Enjoy your Highlanders game.

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  93. Nookin (534) Says:
    April 1st, 2011 at 10:57 pm This one?
    http://www.medialawjournal.co.nz/?p=121
  94. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    April 2nd, 2011 at 12:00 am No – this one.

    http://www.medialawjournal.co.nz/?p=205
    Judge awards highest ever defamation damages

    By Steven | January 29, 2009

    This news seems to have slipped under the media radar: just before Christmas the courts handed down the highest defamation damages award in NZ’s history.

    Cooper J awarded Michael Stiassny and his firm $920,000 damages against Vince Siemer for his long-running attacks on Stiassny, including $900,000 for defamation. (To recap: those are the attacks that led to the injunction that led to the contempt of court cases that led to Siemer being fined and jailed for breaching the injunction and then let out of jail to argue that he should have been given a jury trial. Judgment’s still pending on that last one).

    Those contempt cases also led to a huge award of costs – more than $180,000 – against Siemer (joining many other costs awards against Siemer). He didn’t pay them. So Potter J debarred him from defending Staissny’s defamation case.

    So it can’t have been much of a defamation trial. You had the country’s most famous media lawyer, Julian Miles QC, arguing one side, and on the other…. nothing. There’s a huge hole in the judgment where the discussion of defences would usually come. Were the attacks true? Were they simply honest opinion? Were they protected by qualified privilege? The judge didn’t have to decide.

    At one point Cooper J said: “there is no substance in the allegations that Mr Siemer makes”. The judge really had no place saying that. Siemer has insisted all along that his criticisms are true. He’d been prevented from putting forward evidence to prove them. The judge didn’t know what that evidence might have been.

    ….”

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  95. RightNow (2,477) Says:
    April 2nd, 2011 at 12:12 am Penny you’re seeming like a pretty toothless watchdog if this is the height of your campaigning. Are you related to philu? He used to talk up his website here for some reason too.
    Seriously I can’t see why you’d come here to try to recruit adherents to your cause.
  96. RightNow (2,477) Says:
    April 2nd, 2011 at 12:19 am Unless perhaps you’ve already tried other sites but you find you get more attention here, and that’s what it’s really about.
  97. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    April 2nd, 2011 at 12:36 am Think THAT was bad?

    It gets worse!

    How about THIS?

    Judge Cooper manufactures “clear instances of vile racist abuse [by Mr Siemer]“, in order to back up Stiassny’s defamation claim – which Vince Siemer cannot defend – because he is debarred from the defamation hearing.

    How can this be lawful?

    YOU be the Judge! (Because Judge Cooper certainly doesn’t deserve to be! )

    Have we got the ‘old boy/girl’ judicial network ‘cover-up’ happening again?

    How ON EARTH can Judge Cooper be allowed to get away with this?

    You though the Judge Wilson scandal was bad?

    Beat THIS!
    ______________________________________________________________

    Vince Siemer shows how Judge Cooper manufactured his own ‘evidence’ to support “clear instances of vile racist abuse [by Mr Siemer]“.

    http://www.kiwisfirst.co.nz/news.asp?pageID=2145848073&RefID=2141732609

    JUDGE COOPER’S RACIST INVECTIVE TAINTS HIGH COURT RULING

    “The “official” summary of the events and trial lies in the often acerbic words of Justice Cooper contained in this judgment dated 23 December 2008 which demonstrate how serious the Judge considered the defamation to be.

    In paragraph [49] of that judgment Cooper quoted what he later referred to as “clear instances of vile racist abuse
    [by Mr Siemer]“. In an apparent quote of Mr Siemer, Cooper J stated –

    “Mr Siemer had referred to Mr Stiassny as a man with “exceptional sway within the small Jewish community” and had commented that “when the judiciary determines that a ruthless and powerful man’s reputation is so priceless…the Gestapo cannot be far behind…people like Adolph [sic] Hitler….”.

    The big problem is that Mr Siemer said no such thing. Justice Cooper simply took words from unrelated articles, juxtaposed them, then attributed the resultant fictitious quote to Mr Siemer. …………..”

    The full article:

    “JUDGE COOPER’S RACIST INVECTIVE TAINTS HIGH COURT RULING
    Posted On: Thursday, 1 January 2009

    Under cover of the Christmas Holiday, Auckland High Court Judge Mark Cooper (right) ruled that kiwisfirst editor Vince Siemer had defamed Auckland insolvency accountant Michael Stiassny with publications on this site and ( website name blocked by order of the Court). Siemer was ordered to pay $920,000 damages to Stiassny, plus unspecified Court costs.

    Though Cooper’s judgment finding Mr Siemer guilty of defamation was posted over Christmas Day, the secret trial was conducted sometime in October. Mr Siemer was debarred from defending himself at that trial because he refused to pay application costs totaling more than $200,000 which Justice Judith Potter had awarded Stiassny ahead of trial. A Jury trial was earlier denied by order of Rodney Hansen J at the request of Stiassny’s lawyers on the basis New Zealand citizens were incapable of understanding the complex nature of the alleged defamation against Mr Siemer.

    It is understood that Stiassny and an employee of Korda Mentha (formerly Ferrier Hodgson) Alan Garrett, walked into an Auckland Courtroom sometime in October and told Judge Cooper the sad story of Stiassny having to tell his children that he did not do any of the things which had been evidentially detailed on ( website name blocked by order of the Court) in April 2005. Testifying on this bizarre legal escapade lasting over 3 ½ years, Mr Stiassny told the Judge he had spent over a million dollars in legal costs pursuing Mr Siemer and that everything Mr Siemer published about him were lies which had been previously investigated by the Serious Fraud Office and Institute of Chartered Accountants and found to be baseless. No reporters or public were present at this cosy meeting. No record was apparently taken.

    The undefended trial was the first time in the long court battle that Michael Stiassny had appeared in Court. His appearance came after the Judge provided assurances that Mr Stiassny would not be cross-examined on his testimony. [CENSORED BY ORDER OF THE SUPREME COURT]

    Perhaps the strangest aspect of the case is that both allegations were earlier proven to be correct in Court – using Stiassny’s own documents – yet Judge Cooper failed to address any of this evidence in his lengthy 25 page judgment.

    The “official” summary of the events and trial lies in the often acerbic words of Justice Cooper contained in this judgment dated 23 December 2008 which demonstrate how serious the Judge considered the defamation to be. In paragraph [49] of that judgment Cooper quoted what he later referred to as “clear instances of vile racist abuse [by Mr Siemer]“. In an apparent quote of Mr Siemer, Cooper J stated –

    “Mr Siemer had referred to Mr Stiassny as a man with “exceptional sway within the small Jewish community” and had commented that “when the judiciary determines that a ruthless and powerful man’s reputation is so priceless…the Gestapo cannot be far behind…people like Adolph [sic] Hitler….”.

    The big problem is that Mr Siemer said no such thing. Justice Cooper simply took words from unrelated articles, juxtaposed them, then attributed the resultant fictitious quote to Mr Siemer.

    Because it beaches a Judge’s order to refer readers to the actual website which contains the articles which Justice Cooper selectively pulled words from, the relevant sections are printed below.

    In one article which tracks Michael Stiassny’s questionable relationship with Robert Fardell QC prior to Mr Fardell’s suicide in December 2005, Mr Siemer actual wrote “Stiassny, the man (Fardell) had inextricably linked himself with, a man with exceptional sway within the small Jewish community and certain sectors of the business community, had spurned his pleas for help.”

    An unrelated interview posted on the site had Mr Siemer answering the question ” Can you really argue with Judge (France’s) decision that one cannot put a price on Stiassny’s reputation whereas the only thing you have lost is your expenditures on the billboard and website?”
    To which Mr Siemer answered:
    “Are you kidding?! The hearing was the same week as Anzac Day. Those gallant men and women who paid the ultimate price for freedom would roll over in their graves to learn that a High Court Judge played truth police while quashing freedom of expression. When the Judiciary determines that a ruthless and powerful man’s reputation is so priceless that any evidence and experiences that he claims undermines it must be purged and banned, the Gestapo cannot be far behind. I am not being over-dramatic. Erosion of civil liberties is notoriously unremarkable as it is occurring. If history has taught us anything it is that people like Adolph Hitler, Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein and Pol Pot succeeded in committing horrendous crimes only through purges of public opinion that conflicted with the reputation they sought to promote.”

    Judge Cooper’s “quote”, which he attempted to attribute to Mr Siemer, is compiled from the words highlighted in the actual publications (above). Readers can now be the Judge as to whether Judge Cooper could have accidentally gotten this wrong. This example gives a small glimpse into how justice is regularly arrived at in the parochial New Zealand Courts. ”

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  98. RightNow (2,477) Says:
    April 2nd, 2011 at 12:37 am Are you lonely Penny?
  99. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    April 2nd, 2011 at 12:42 am I think /hope that there are a lot of decent Kiwi folk out there who support people getting a ‘fair go’.

    Do YOU think what has happened to Vince Siemer is fair?

    Do YOU think NZ Judges should be allowed to ‘manufacture’ evidence and people denied their lawful right to defend themselves in Court?

    Do YOU think this sort of arguably scandalous judicial behaviour supports the need for NZ Judges to be held accountable to an enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ (preferably based on the Bangalore Principles of Judicial Conduct’?

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  100. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    April 2nd, 2011 at 12:47 am # RightNow (2,476) Says:
    April 2nd, 2011 at 12:37 am

    Are you lonely Penny?”

    No – but thanks for caring! ;)

    I’m persistent and determined to see that ‘justice is done and is seen to be done’, because what has happened to Vince Siemer, in my considered opinion, is an absolute disgrace and makes me feel ashamed to be a New Zealander.

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  101. RightNow (2,477) Says:
    April 2nd, 2011 at 12:51 am Penny, it doesn’t matter what I think. And that was exactly my point. Be a watchdog with bite and do something more effective than trolling on kiwiblog
  102. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    April 2nd, 2011 at 1:14 am How ‘cute’ is that?

    One of the NZ judicial ‘brotherhood’ – Justice Hammond – backs up another, Judge Cooper :

    “We have not had our attention drawn to any worse case of defamation in the British Commonwealth, and our own researches have not disclosed one.”

    But it was Judge Cooper who effectively fabricated this defamatory evidence, in a defamation hearing that Vince Siemer was debarred from attending.

    http://www.kiwisfirst.co.nz

    BLACK ROBES, WHITE LIES

    31 March 2011

    Okay, Justice Hammond ruled in yesterday’s record $920,000 Court of Appeal ruling against kiwisfirst publisher Vince Siemer, “We have not had our attention drawn to any worse case of defamation in the British Commonwealth, and our own researches have not disclosed one.”

    Who is going to be the ‘Ted Thomas’ on THIS case of arguable NZ ‘judicial corruption’?

    Which NZ Judges, lawyers and citizens, are going to ‘step up to the plate’, and demand that ‘justice is done and is seen to be done’?

    Or do concerned citizens need to ask international jurists of repute and callibre, who DO have the following principles, to give their considered opinions, about the type of ‘justice’ that Vince Siemer has received?

    “The Bangalore Principles for Judicial Conduct” – drawn up internationally, by Judges – for Judges.

    (By some of arguably the world’s most capable legal minds, from the highest levels of the international ‘judiciary’.)

    “Value 1:
    INDEPENDENCE

    Principle: Judicial independence is a pre-requisite to the rule of law and a fundamental guarantee of a fair trial.
    A judge shall therefore uphold and exemplify judicial independence in both its individual and institutional aspects.

    Value 2:
    IMPARTIALITY

    Principle: Impartiality is essential to the proper discharge of the judicial office. It applies not only to the decision itself but
    also to the process by which the decision is made.

    Value 3:
    INTEGRITY

    Principle: Integrity is essential to the proper discharge of the judicial office.

    Value 4:
    PROPRIETY

    Principle: Propriety, and the appearance of propriety, are essential to the performance of all of the activities of a judge.

    Value 5:
    EQUALITY

    Principle: Ensuring equality of treatment to all before the courts is essential to the due performance of the judicial office.

    Value 6:
    COMPETENCE AND DILIGENCE

    Principle: Competence and diligence are prerequisites to the due performance of judicial office. ”

    (Because at the 2010 Transparency International Conference Against Corruption, I did meet a number of them, requested and have been given a number of their ‘business cards’.

    Or should Transparency International be asked to review NZ’s status as ‘the least corrupt country in the world’?

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com

  103. Rich Prick (735) Says:
    April 2nd, 2011 at 2:55 am Penny, do you live alone with a lot of cats per chance? If so do you throw them at traffic?
  104. thedavincimode (1,466) Says:
    April 2nd, 2011 at 7:14 am Mrs Dim doesn’t appear to be able to reconcile comment that queries quantum on the one hand with comment by the same author that says, in effect, that Siemer is a raving nutcase who expects the judicial system to revolve around his requirements.

    She somehow thinks that because the lunatic Siemer didn’t follow the rules that everyone else has to follow, he has been denied justice. It seems that her “considered” view is based upon a rather selective view of proceedings and comments from the lunatic himself. I’m not quite sure why she thinks that Mr Siemer is somehow desrving of his own special legal system and why he should be entitled to deny Stiassny his legal rights to defend his name and reputation, and why, having cast the first stone, he shouldn’t stump up for his obligations in relation to the costs of Stiassny doing so. I’m also not sure how she reconciles the upholding of the “rule of law” with Mr Siemer’s refusal to take any notice of it. She also doesn’t understand that “free speech” in this country is accompanied by obligations regarding what can be said and that an action for defamation is the price that is paid for exceeding the lawful boundaries on free speech. I don’t understand why, if she is in favour of free speech without any limitations at all she does not just say so. I also wonder why, given that she is such a proponent of the “rule of law”, none of her endlessly repetitive quotes from the Bunglelaw principles make any reference to any requirement for judges to actually apply the law.

    My “considered” view is that hers is not a “considered” view and the absence of any rational explanation of these inherent conflicts and inconsistencies is that she is just as mad as the lunatic Siemer.

  105. Nookin (534) Says:
    April 2nd, 2011 at 9:30 am tdvm
    In the words of one of Topcats esteemed lieutenants: Phizackerly!
  106. thedavincimode (1,466) Says:
    April 2nd, 2011 at 9:35 am Topcat was a smooth operator. I wonder if he would have got more votes than Mrs Dim. Most likely I expect.
  107. publicwatchdog (109) Says:
    April 2nd, 2011 at 3:00 pm What both of you, ‘Nookin’ and ‘thedavincimode’ fail to grasp, (I wouldn’t have thought that the concept was THAT complicated), is that a Judge can’t just ‘make it up’.

    If Judges make decisions which are not based upon the ‘Rule of Law’ – then why should they be respected?

    Vince Siemer breached a ‘gagging’ injunction which he argues, was not lawfully obtained.

    Do you people believe in your lawful right to ‘freedom of expression’?

    Yes or no?

    Do you believe that Judges have the lawful right to prevent people from telling the truth?

    Yes or no?

    Do you believe that a person should be debarred from appearing in Court to defend themselves?

    Yes or no?

    Do you believe in the principle : ‘WHEN INJUSTICE BECOMES LAW – RESISTANCE BECOMES DUTY’!

    No – probably not.
    It takes real courage to to make a stand on principle, then take it to the point of imprisonment.
    (3 times now in Vince Siemer’s case) http://www.kiwisfirst.co.nz

    Can’t imagine toothless and wilfully blind ‘goldfish’ – like yourselves – making a stand in the public interest over anything.
    You don’t even put your names to your posts.
    How BRAVE is that?

    (Meant of course, in a caring way, and recognising that I may well be wrong, and happy to see any evidence you want to provide to the contrary…………………….

    Perhaps you didn’t notice – because with all due respect – you do seem to be rather intellectually lazy, ‘thedavincimode’ – but the Steven Price article from which I have quoted, is absolutely ‘on point’ and deals with the defamation hearing, which happened after the earlier article to which you refer.

    (You talk about me being ‘off-thread’?
    Try practising what you preach.)

    http://www.medialawjournal.co.nz/?p=205
    Judge awards highest ever defamation damages

    By Steven | January 29, 2009

    This news seems to have slipped under the media radar: just before Christmas the courts handed down the highest defamation damages award in NZ’s history.

    Cooper J awarded Michael Stiassny and his firm $920,000 damages against Vince Siemer for his long-running attacks on Stiassny, including $900,000 for defamation. (To recap: those are the attacks that led to the injunction that led to the contempt of court cases that led to Siemer being fined and jailed for breaching the injunction and then let out of jail to argue that he should have been given a jury trial. Judgment’s still pending on that last one).

    Those contempt cases also led to a huge award of costs – more than $180,000 – against Siemer (joining many other costs awards against Siemer). He didn’t pay them. So Potter J debarred him from defending Staissny’s defamation case.

    So it can’t have been much of a defamation trial. You had the country’s most famous media lawyer, Julian Miles QC, arguing one side, and on the other…. nothing. There’s a huge hole in the judgment where the discussion of defences would usually come. Were the attacks true? Were they simply honest opinion? Were they protected by qualified privilege? The judge didn’t have to decide.
    …………………”

    In order to help more informed debate and discussion (not an easy task with some of you) – here are some of the guiding principles from the Bangalore Principles of Judicial Conduct’, which in my opinion, apply to this case in point:

    “Value 1:
    INDEPENDENCE

    Principle:
    Judicial independence is a pre-requisite to the rule of law and a fundamental guarantee of a fair trial. A judge shall therefore uphold and exemplify judicial independence in both its individual and institutional aspects.
    Application:

    1.1 A judge shall exercise the judicial function independently on the basis of the judge’s assessment of the facts and in accordance with a conscientious understanding of the law, free of any extraneous influences, inducements, pressures, threats or interference, direct or indirect, from any quarter or for any reason.

    Value 3:

    INTEGRITY

    Principle:

    Integrity is essential to the proper discharge of the judicial office.

    Application:

    3.1 A judge shall ensure that his or her conduct is above reproach in the view of a reasonable observer.

    3.2 The behaviour and conduct of a judge must reaffirm the people’s faith in the integrity of the judiciary.
    Justice must not merely be done but must also be seen to be done.

    Value 4:

    PROPRIETY

    Principle:

    Propriety, and the appearance of propriety, are essential to the performance of all of the activities of a judge.

    Application:

    4.1 A judge shall avoid impropriety and the appearance of impropriety in all of the judge’s activities.

    Value 5:

    EQUALITY

    Principle:

    Ensuring equality of treatment to all before the courts is essential to the due performance of the judicial office.

    Application:

    5.2 A judge shall not, in the performance of judicial duties, by words or conduct, manifestbias or prejudice towards any person or group on irrelevant grounds.

    Value 6:

    COMPETENCE AND DILIGENCE

    Principle:

    Competence and diligence are prerequisites to the due performance of judicial office.

    Application:

    6.3 A judge shall take reasonable steps to maintain and enhance the judge’s knowledge, skills and personal qualities necessary for the proper performance of judicial duties, taking advantage for this purpose of the training and other facilities which should be made available, under judicial control, to judges.

    6.4 A judge shall keep himself or herself informed about relevant developments of international law, including international conventions and other instruments establishing human rights norms. ”

    _____________________________________________________________________________________________

    Penny Bright
    Public Watchdog
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    https://waterpressure.wordpress.com


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